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Trump’s chain of events for overturning the election (an autocratic action):
1. Attempt to use legal means (court challenges)
2. Attempt to use illegal but nonviolent means (improper pressure on Raffensburger and Pence to corrupt their offices for his benefit)
3. Attempt to use illegal and violent means (trying to use the attack as leverage against Congress).
The fact you can’t see Trump’s autocratic behavior when it’s staring you in the face tells me that you need to remove your orange colored glasses.
#1 is not fascism. Using the courts is not fascism.
#2 what law this Trump violated? that is not fascism.
#3 Trump never ordered any violence on anybody. That's not fascism either. That's accusing Biden and the Democrats of terrorism for supporting BLM and their insurrection. That's not fascism either. (more like hypocrisy)
#1 is not fascism. Using the courts is not fascism.
#2 what law this Trump violated? that is not fascism.
#3 Trump never ordered any violence on anybody. That's not fascism either. That's accusing Biden and the Democrats of terrorism for supporting BLM and their insurrection. That's not fascism either. (more like hypocrisy)
you need a lesson on fascism and quick.
He needs a lesson on Fascism and Nazis the same. President Trump said, Protest Peacefully and Patriotically as most did and do, as I have Posted in details many times. While the leftists violence continues before and after the 2016 elections. I can Post a few videos of the leftist violence. But I Bet $ he wont condemn right wing violence and leftist violence, I have condemned them both. When I ask the leftists I know to condemn the right wing violence and leftist violence, only two at most have, the others refuse do to so. Proving another one of my Points.
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Memo: Trump is gone. Time to move on and blame someone else for all the world's evils.
What you have in office now is an invalid and a communist. Best concentrate on that, and why in your view, that is good or bad. There is no point in living in the past unless you wish to return to it. Do you? Does the fact that you can't stop talking about Trump imply that you want to jump in a time machine and rewind four years?
Trump isn't gone.
He can run again, and it is obvious from some threads that some CD Trump supporters want him to run again.
1. The radical socialist conformity demanding progressive Dems taking over the D party would be a problem.
2. The radical fascist loving Trump worshipers have currently taken over the R party, and this is a problem.
Wrong, Fascisms has a central autocratic government which is the opposite of what Trump voters want. The Left however, does want a central autocratic government that exalts one race over the others so they are in fact, the Fascists among us.
Would you all agree that if the Democrats themselves or Black Lives Matter protesters assaulted the Capitol by breaking windows and doors, urinated and deficated in it, shouted "Hang Pence!", "Get the speaker!", "1776!" "Fight for Trump!", in an effort to stop Trump from being President because they felt the election was rigged even though 60+ experts including non-partisan or Republican judges said there was NO evidence of fraud... And police officers and several other people died as a direct or indirect result of that "riot"... Would that have been a problem for you?
Would that have been okay with you?
In other words, if the situation were reversed...?
Really, now: tell the truth. Imagine in your mind that Black Lives Matter had done the exact same thing that the Trump Supporters did on Jan 6... What would be YOUR reaction to that? "Just a visitors tour"?
My guess is your reaction would be the same as ours is regarding what the Trump supporters did: that it was an insurrection, that every participant and every planner would need to be put in prison!
Would you then not be somewhat "obsessed" with seeing justice done against those Democrats and/or Black Lives Matter people who did the violence against our Capitol and fell just short of attacking the Speaker of the House and the VP?
Right. Well that's where we Democrats are at.
I don't think we are that different when it comes down to it. It's just that you want to pretend Trump and/or Giuliani, Stone, Hawley, Cruz et al did not incite it and that it "was just a little protest", nothing major.
And when Democrats then would go on tv now and say it was "just like a visitors tour", nothing more... how would YOU feel? When there are VIDEOS that SHOW what actually happened? And it's NOTHING like a "visitors tour", that it's in fact EXACTLY LIKE AN INSURRECTION?! Would you not be offended at such an outrageous lie? Lying about something we saw and can still see in videos like the one below, with our own eyes?!
Okay so I beg you Republicans who have swallowed the Big Lies: Please just watch this short video which is actual footage of what actually happened.
Then tell me how you'd feel if those "rioters" and the people who riled them up to do what they did, should be indicted, tried and convicted... [if the situation were reversed and those were BLM protesters...]
Wrong, Fascisms has a central autocratic government which is the opposite of what Trump voters want. The Left however, does want a central autocratic government that exalts one race over the others so they are in fact, the Fascists among us.
We on the left do NOT want a government that exalts one race over the others. What we want is equality for all the races and LBGTQ people.
We do NOT want Trump supporters attacking Asians for example.
We do NOT want Trump supporters freaking out about transgender people or gays.
Trump supporters want that LBGTQ people and black people do NOT have the same rights as white heterosexual people.
Just listen to Trump supporters (not all!) talk... and you will hear much racism against people of color and homosexuals and people of other cultures. Especially Trump's southern red state supporters!
Just pay attention to how blacks are thrown to the ground, choked, shot, etc by police for doing the same things whites do whereas whites are treated more gently for the same actions. (Not always but far too often!)
Just pay attention to how white "Christian" people have so much disdain, even hatred, for transgenders and gays for example.
In order to get EQUALITY for these people of color and alternative sexual orientations, people unfortunately have to protest for their rights.
You see this as them wanting more rights than straight, white people?
No, not at all. They just want Equal Rights!
What we Liberals want is EQUALITY FOR ALL, a higher minimum wage for those who have to work those jobs, improve the infrastructure of the USofA, and get a lot of the money for improving America by taxing those making over $400,000 a year at a rate lower than Reagan taxed them!
We on the left do NOT want a government that exalts one race over the others. What we want is equality for all the races and LBGTQ people.
We do NOT want Trump supporters attacking Asians for example.
We do NOT want Trump supporters freaking out about transgender people or gays.
Trump supporters want that LBGTQ people and black people do NOT have the same rights as white heterosexual people.
Just listen to Trump supporters (not all!) talk... and you will hear much racism against people of color and homosexuals and people of other cultures. Especially Trump's southern red state supporters!
Just pay attention to how blacks are thrown to the ground, choked, shot, etc by police for doing the same things whites do whereas whites are treated more gently for the same actions. (Not always but far too often!)
Just pay attention to how white "Christian" people have so much disdain, even hatred, for transgenders and gays for example.
In order to get EQUALITY for these people of color and alternative sexual orientations, people unfortunately have to protest for their rights.
You see this as them wanting more rights than straight, white people?
No, not at all. They just want Equal Rights!
What we Liberals want is EQUALITY FOR ALL, a higher minimum wage for those who have to work those jobs, improve the infrastructure of the USofA, and get a lot of the money for improving America by taxing those making over $400,000 a year at a rate lower than Reagan taxed them!
How is that so "radical"?
What are you smoking? We know your definition of equal rights = Equal Outcomes by socialism force.
Tell me a law or an order by Trump that takes any right under the law from blacks, Asians, Gays.....name 1.
You can't because it doesn't exist. You create B.S. and conspiracies to feed the base and find a imaginary fight to fill your life.
The radical part is you want EQUAL OUTCOMES. You want to push EQUAL OUTCOMES by socialism and force and identity politics on steroids. You might fool some but not all.
Try again
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