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Old 05-18-2021, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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In a perfect world, people would behave responsibly 100% of the time and there would never be an unwanted pregnancy.

Here on Earth, that doesn't happen. And the baby - who didn't get a say in being created or birthed - can't eat "well you should have paid attention in health class!"
It’s not hard to behave responsibly 100% of the time, especially if one is actually concerned about not bringing an unwanted child into the world, especially if they can’t afford to feed it.

Adoption is always a possibility so the baby that didn’t have a say can certainly eat...and yes folks should’ve definitely paid attention in health class.

Poor planning on folks part doesn’t constitute folks who plan properly to pay for someone else kid/s. Can’t feed em don’t breed em.

 
Old 05-18-2021, 03:01 PM
 
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It’s not hard to behave responsibly 100% of the time, especially if one is actually concerned about not bringing an unwanted child into the world, especially if they can’t afford to feed it.

Adoption is always a possibility so the baby that didn’t have a say can certainly eat...and yes folks should’ve definitely paid attention in health class.

Poor planning on folks part doesn’t constitute folks who plan properly to pay for someone else kid/s. Can’t feed em don’t breed em.
Again, what people should do and what they actually do are very different things.

The reality is, if abortion isn't available, there will be a lot more kids in existence, and most of them will need some kind of social services to survive.

No amount of "Well they should..." and "it's not that hard" will change that.
 
Old 05-18-2021, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Again, what people should do and what they actually do are very different things.

The reality is, if abortion isn't available, there will be a lot more kids in existence, and most of them will need some kind of social services to survive.

No amount of "Well they should..." and "it's not that hard" will change that.
And they need to take responsibility for it themselves.

Again, adoption is always an option.

Making excuses is enabling.
 
Old 05-18-2021, 03:07 PM
 
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And they need to take responsibility for it themselves.

Again, adoption is always an option.

Making excuses is enabling.
Yes, they need to. But they won't.

You can be pragmatic or you can keep shouting "close your legs, ****!"

I'm not making excuses. I'm accepting the reality that the world is full of people who don't behave responsibly and there isn't a way to force them to.

What will happen, will happen. And if abortion is banned, what will happen is a bunch of babies born into poverty, addiction and neglect.
 
Old 05-18-2021, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Again, what people should do and what they actually do are very different things.

The reality is, if abortion isn't available, there will be a lot more kids in existence, and most of them will need some kind of social services to survive.

No amount of "Well they should..." and "it's not that hard" will change that.
seems about 15% more per year. 3.7MM live births, 620K abortions.

Maybe we could instead do contraception, instead of "abortion on demand". Maybe it would be better to incentivize them to not have children. Maybe require them to be on highly-effective contraception after the first child.

I don't know the answer, I just know what we're doing now is NOT the answer.
 
Old 05-18-2021, 03:12 PM
 
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They aren't and neither is continually increasing them year after year, shifting more of the cost of childcare onto those that don't even have children.
Is that why every time I see a military man, he is always walking with like 5 children next to him and her?
Isn't it enough that most of them hardly do any work, and leave most of the hard labor to minorities?

Anyway child tax credit would be okay for me if a lot of us millennials who don't want to contribute to the overpopulation problem also got a kick back monthly.

Like most adults with no dependents on their taxes, we pay the most out of everybody else. We also get nothing in return at the end of the year.

I propose an incentive to any millennial who wants to adopt to get a monthly check to help them support the adopted child.
 
Old 05-18-2021, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Yes, they need to. But they won't.

You can be pragmatic or you can keep shouting "close your legs, ****!"

I'm not making excuses. I'm accepting the reality that the world is full of people who don't behave responsibly and there isn't a way to force them to.

What will happen, will happen. And if abortion is banned, what will happen is a bunch of babies born into poverty, addiction and neglect.
And that’s on them to deal with the consequences of their actions.

Don’t have to shout close your legs. Take precautions.

Don’t bail them out and they’ll take more responsibility. Giving out free stuff is enabling.

Again, adoption is always an option...but please do continue to ignore that and come up with more dramatic responses.
 
Old 05-18-2021, 03:27 PM
 
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And that’s on them to deal with the consequences of their actions.

Don’t have to shout close your legs. Take precautions.

Don’t bail them out and they’ll take more responsibility. Giving out free stuff is enabling.

Again, adoption is always an option...but please do continue to ignore that and come up with more dramatic responses.
Don't feed the children and the children won't get fed.

Yes, giving out free stuff is enabling the child to be fed and housed and clothed.

Why do you think women who can't take responsible precautions to prevent pregnancy will suddenly be able to make responsible choices in caring for a child?

Yes, adoption is an option. How do you propose ensuring that women use that option?
 
Old 05-18-2021, 03:31 PM
 
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They should recieve money for having their tubes tied.
 
Old 05-18-2021, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Don't feed the children and the children won't get fed.

Yes, giving out free stuff is enabling the child to be fed and housed and clothed.

Why do you think women who can't take responsible precautions to prevent pregnancy will suddenly be able to make responsible choices in caring for a child?

Yes, adoption is an option. How do you propose ensuring that women use that option?
Lol. So many dramatic excuses.

Get tubal ligation, vasectomy, etc..., if you don’t want to have kids.

Why can’t they take responsible precautions?

So you’re making excuses if abortion isn’t an option, and now you’re making excuses if they don’t want to put the child up for adoption. If they’re going to get an abortion they obviously don’t want the kid, so why wouldn’t they put it up for adoption?

Why don’t you take it upon yourself to pay and find folks to pay for other folks kids and/or take them in? Why do you think it’s everyone else’s responsibility? Only 50% of the country pays taxes. Why should they pay more?
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