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Old 05-18-2021, 05:21 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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I propose that all the folks who claim to be pro life are required to either adopt a child from foster care or be held responsible for the financial support of a child in foster care for 18 years. You want them born, you pay for them.
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Add finding homes for the thousands of “children” held in the deep freeze at fertility clinics in the country.
Those in the deep freeze are probably awaiting Crisper.
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Old 05-18-2021, 05:25 PM
 
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That may be true, however, in 2011 the decline in unwanted pregnancies was 45%, and ...

Fewer unintended pregnancies contribute to all-time low U.S. fertility rate, new research says

"The authors note that abortion does not play a role in the decline of unintended births as the abortion rate is at its lowest since the passage of Roe v. Wade in 1973. Although the authors did not explore the reasons for women having fewer unintended births, the decline began around the time of the Great Recession, so economic hardship might have made people work harder to avoid them."
Unintended does not need unwanted, not sure if the terms are interchangeable in the context you are using.
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Old 05-18-2021, 05:26 PM
 
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If it's time to overturn a decision that has been the law of the land for 50 years and is supported by over 60% of the American people, then it might be time to expand the court to correct that.
LOL. The notion that the Supreme Court should rule based on public opinion is adorable. But hey, you be you.
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Old 05-18-2021, 05:39 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell View Post
That may be true, however, in 2011 the decline in unwanted pregnancies was 45%, and ...

Fewer unintended pregnancies contribute to all-time low U.S. fertility rate, new research says

"The authors note that abortion does not play a role in the decline of unintended births as the abortion rate is at its lowest since the passage of Roe v. Wade in 1973. Although the authors did not explore the reasons for women having fewer unintended births, the decline began around the time of the Great Recession, so economic hardship might have made people work harder to avoid them."
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Unintended does not need unwanted, not sure if the terms are interchangeable in the context you are using.
No they're not; good catch --- I miss quoted from the search page --- "By 2011, the percentage of unintended pregnancies declined to 45%." cdc, 2019


btw: I saw the change in abortion laws coming because of decades of low births and it isn't that they don't want to stop killing babies, but our population numbers in the future warrant some one doing something about it today. (abortion and immigration)
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Old 05-18-2021, 06:01 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I propose that all the folks who claim to be pro life are required to either adopt a child from foster care or be held responsible for the financial support of a child in foster care for 18 years. You want them born, you pay for them.
“Well judge, if you didn’t want me to kill my wife then you should have paid me to support her.”
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Old 05-18-2021, 06:19 PM
 
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From Guttmacher Institute:

"There is considerable evidence, on the other hand, that changes in contraceptive use are a plausible explanation for the decline in unintended pregnancy and subsequent abortion. First, overall use of any contraceptive method increased slightly among women at risk of unintended pregnancy, from 89% in 2008 to 90% in 2012.12,13 Even such a seemingly small increase in contraceptive use can have a measurable impact on unintended pregnancy and abortion rates. Research shows that

among all women at risk of unintended pregnancy, the 14% who do not practice contraception over the course of a given year or have long gaps in use account for more than half (54%) of all unintended pregnancies.


Second, and perhaps more important, women’s use of highly effective contraceptive methods—such as the IUD and implant—has shot up in recent years,15 including during the 2008–2011 period when unintended pregnancy and abortion fell sharply. These highly effective contraceptive methods are often referred to as LARCs, or long-acting reversible contraceptives. Use of these methods, especially the IUD, more than tripled between 2007 and 2012, from 3.7% of all contraceptive users to 11.6%.

Women weigh many factors when choosing a method, but LARC methods have several important strengths:

They are more than 99% effective at preventing pregnancy, may last up to 12 years and do not require women to remember to use their method every day or every time they have sex.

Increased use of methods that virtually guarantee consistent and error-free use is a critical development, given that the 18% of women who use contraception inconsistently—for example, by forgetting to take the pill every day or not using a condom every time they have sex—account for 41% of all unintended pregnancies. Increases in LARC use likely led to more consistent and effective contraceptive use overall, contributing to the decline in the unintended pregnancy rate."


This is not your mother's contraception. An unintended pregnancy is far more likely to be a result of not using contraception than contraception failing, which means take some responsibility and you won't have to worry about 'abortions'.
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Old 05-18-2021, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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That may be true, however, in 2011 the decline in unwanted pregnancies was 45%, and ...

Fewer unintended pregnancies contribute to all-time low U.S. fertility rate, new research says

"The authors note that abortion does not play a role in the decline of unintended births as the abortion rate is at its lowest since the passage of Roe v. Wade in 1973. Although the authors did not explore the reasons for women having fewer unintended births, the decline began around the time of the Great Recession, so economic hardship might have made people work harder to avoid them."
Yes the abortion rate has declined but instead of moving forward towards a common goal of education and family planning there are these anti-abortion laws which really accomplish nothing other than make it more difficult for minority women.
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Old 05-18-2021, 07:05 PM
 
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No they're not; good catch --- I miss quoted from the search page --- "By 2011, the percentage of unintended pregnancies declined to 45%." cdc, 2019


btw: I saw the change in abortion laws coming because of decades of low births and it isn't that they don't want to stop killing babies, but our population numbers in the future warrant some one doing something about it today. (abortion and immigration)
So women should be forced to have kids because of declining birth rates? Maybe we can also have a quota system where every woman is expected to have a minimum of 2 kids whether they want to or not. We can forcibly impregnate those who refuse and lock them up until they give birth. Gilead here we come!
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Old 05-18-2021, 07:11 PM
 
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From Guttmacher Institute:

"There is considerable evidence, on the other hand, that changes in contraceptive use are a plausible explanation for the decline in unintended pregnancy and subsequent abortion. First, overall use of any contraceptive method increased slightly among women at risk of unintended pregnancy, from 89% in 2008 to 90% in 2012.12,13 Even such a seemingly small increase in contraceptive use can have a measurable impact on unintended pregnancy and abortion rates. Research shows that

among all women at risk of unintended pregnancy, the 14% who do not practice contraception over the course of a given year or have long gaps in use account for more than half (54%) of all unintended pregnancies.


Second, and perhaps more important, women’s use of highly effective contraceptive methods—such as the IUD and implant—has shot up in recent years,15 including during the 2008–2011 period when unintended pregnancy and abortion fell sharply. These highly effective contraceptive methods are often referred to as LARCs, or long-acting reversible contraceptives. Use of these methods, especially the IUD, more than tripled between 2007 and 2012, from 3.7% of all contraceptive users to 11.6%.

Women weigh many factors when choosing a method, but LARC methods have several important strengths:

They are more than 99% effective at preventing pregnancy, may last up to 12 years and do not require women to remember to use their method every day or every time they have sex.

Increased use of methods that virtually guarantee consistent and error-free use is a critical development, given that the 18% of women who use contraception inconsistently—for example, by forgetting to take the pill every day or not using a condom every time they have sex—account for 41% of all unintended pregnancies. Increases in LARC use likely led to more consistent and effective contraceptive use overall, contributing to the decline in the unintended pregnancy rate."


This is not your mother's contraception. An unintended pregnancy is far more likely to be a result of not using contraception than contraception failing, which means take some responsibility and you won't have to worry about 'abortions'.
Or not being able to afford LARC methods. The cost of those methods is $500 - $1000. Even the cost of the less effective pill is a barrier to some. Conservative legislatures have gutted low cost health care and defunded Planned Parenthood and then they wring their hands when abortions result. When all women have easy access to low/no cost LARC methods, then you’ll have a point.
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Old 05-18-2021, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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You'l still be able to kill your own children in California.
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