Supreme Court will hear direct challenge to Roe v. Wade (problems, poverty)
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Your argument is with the US Constitution. Don't like it? There's a specifically prescribed Amendment process. If the majority of Americans support abortion at will, there should be no problem getting a Constitutional Amendment ratified to confer that right. So... Get to it!
Mother kills the fetus = not murder, someone else kills a fetus the mother intends to abort = murder? That's yet another violation of the Equal Protection Clause.
Nah...that can't work. With that mentality, there would be no clear line between recently fertilized female eggs and adults. The only sane route is for the Equal Protection Clause to not apply to fetuses.
Disagree. Basic human rights shouldn’t be dictated by the troglodytes that govern some states.
Yes, it’s still murder because the law deals with what is not what may or may not happen in the future.
Basic human rights should be determined by what makes sense. Abortion typically assists the aborted. Therefore it should be legal. It either has zero negative consequences, in the even that the fetus experienced no pain, or else any unpleasant sensation could be argued to be canceled out by the abortion allowing the would-be child to avoid whatever negative circumstances the parent got the abortion to avoid.
I've met one person who is pro abortion who actually recognized this and was able to say, yes, the mother is intentionally killing her child. It was refreshing to talk to someone who could at least discuss it from a logical, if not moral, perspective. Still felt that the mom was perfectly fine in making that decision, but at least knew it was murder.
I have been discussing it from a moral perspective. I've noticed you haven't. You've just been mostly arbitrarily defining it as "murder" despite the fact that abortion results in absolutely none of the consequences society is so disdainful of murder for.
While I don't disagree with you generally (though I see drops across even the middle class . . . the wealthy would just fly to where it's legal), the pro-life crowd will say that even the poor deserve a chance at life.
Then they're fools. By that reasoning people are taking away people's chance at life every time they choose not to procreate by using contraception...which is very true. We are taking away people's chances at living by using contraception...and that in no way harms anyway, and neither do most abortions seem to, for exactly the same reasons.
Most reasonable people can agree in theory to the other side’s arguments. Understand how you might see it that way. Doesn’t mean they agree your characterization is right.
My characterization is spot on. Pro abortion person agreed that abortion is murder. There was no other way of understanding the words coming out of his mouth.
The fact that you took the time to tell me that my conversation reflected what YOU BELIEVE rather than what was actually said goes to your confirmation bias.
You cannot believe that someone who supports abortion would also acknowledge that it is murder.
Exactly. It's a state legislatures' purview to determine that, not SCOTUS via Roe v. Wade. Roe was an egregious SCOTUS overreach in that SCOTUS does not have the power or authority to confer imaginary new Constitutional Rights.
No...it was not overreach anymore than banning slavery was overreach. Some rights are just so innate that it would be horrifyingly barbaric that they should be removed from anywhere.
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Is it still murder if the woman was going to abort the fetus? State laws make no distinction and charge it as infanticide regardless of the woman's intentions as to the fetus.
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That's a state legislature's choice just as much as it was a state's choice to expand Medicaid under the ACA. Some did. Some didn't. Don't like the choice your state made? Move.
It may come as a shock to you that states have different income tax rates, as well, with some states not even charging an income tax. Again... Don't like the choice your state legislature made? Move.
It may come as a shock to you that citizens regardless of where they live either by fate or choice have a right to same basic healthcare options and shouldn't have to move because the religious right is in charge. Of course what state was it that was proposing a rape victim cannot terminate a pregnancy if the rapist objects exercising his parental rights????
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It's not murder to kill animals. A fetus is best described as an animal. It has more in common with animals than humans.
Nonsense! What animal have you known a human fetus to become? When a pregnant woman is asked what she is going to have, the answer is usually boy or girl......not rabbit or dog. What a stretch.
It may come as a shock to you that citizens regardless of where they live either by fate or choice have a right to same basic healthcare options and shouldn't have to move because the religious right is in charge. Of course what state was it that was proposing a rape victim cannot terminate a pregnancy if the rapist objects exercising his parental rights)????
Healthcare addresses medical illnesses and conditions.
What medical illness does abortion treat?
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