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Old 05-19-2021, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Nonsense! What animal have you known a human fetus to become? When a pregnant woman is asked what she is going to have, the answer is usually boy or girl......not rabbit or dog. What a stretch.
It doesn't matter what they'll become. They're not that yet. Until they're human, they're a nonhuman animal.

Think about what's actually helps people. If you don't know what death is and can't feel pain from that and you don't have any relationships built up around you and your fate is to go through the very unpleasant process of childbirth...which most abortions will lack the unpleasantness of...what would you most likely want?
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:25 AM
 
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Basic human rights should be determined by what makes sense. Abortion typically assists the aborted. Therefore it should be legal. It either has zero negative consequences, in the even that the fetus experienced no pain, or else any unpleasant sensation could be argued to be canceled out by the abortion allowing the would-be child to avoid whatever negative circumstances the parent got the abortion to avoid.
The aborted is killed if you consider that typical assistance. Your high moral ground in considering ending a life to be offset by the convenience it provides leaves something to be desired.
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:28 AM
 
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It doesn't matter what they'll become. They're not that yet. Until they're human, they're a nonhuman animal.
They have human DNA from conception. That is why they stay human from start to finish. Biology 101.
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:29 AM
 
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If it's time to overturn a decision that has been the law of the land for 50 years and is supported by over 60% of the American people, then it might be time to expand the court to correct that.
Can we go back to slavery? it was the law of the land for over a 100 years and was supported by way more than 60% of the people. (Well, white people..)


let's expand to court to allow slavery again!
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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The aborted is killed if you consider that typical assistance. Your high moral ground in considering ending a life to be offset by the convenience it provides leaves something to be desired.
You perception of killing as inherently harmful leaves something to be desired of your moral reasoning ability.

Killing doesn't harm organisms if they can't feel it, don't understand death, and lack relationships built up and hopes for the future.

It can, however, help the organism through the organism avoiding whatever negative circumstances the parents chose to get an abortion to avoid.


For example...imagine that a 16 year old chose to get an early abortion, sometime in the first trimester, like the vast majority are. She then has another baby in her early twenties. The fetus lost nothing. It was not aborted at a stage at which it appears capable of experiencing pain. Even if it could experience pain at that stage, however, it avoided existing in a state in which life would be much harder for its mother, and therefore, likely for it as well.

Through the mother having another baby as an adult, that fetus was essentially teleported into the future and into a quite possibly more ideal life, through that abortion.

That is how abortion is unlikely to harm the abortion, in most circumstances, but it typically assists the aborted, the parents, and society in general.
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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They have human DNA from conception. That is why they stay human from start to finish. Biology 101.
Which is totally irrelevant. I'm talking about morals...not semantics, or pointless categorizations.
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Healthcare addresses medical illnesses and conditions.

What medical illness does abortion treat?
The same medical illnesses and conditions other forms of healthcare treat...along with poverty, familial problems, and all sorts of additional difficulties that can be avoided through it.
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:38 AM
 
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Abortion has become another political ploy. With all the available free birth control and morning after pills I find it disturbing that so many abortions are performed (est. 12 out of 1000 live births). There are cases such as rape or incest where abortion should be legalized, but I have two questions, why has it become a political issue and why aren't people using more birth control?
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Most will just go to the nearest state that allows abortion. So I don't expect any impact on the actual number of abortions.
Surely self managed abortions will boom by taking abortion inducing drugs. Of course if such drugs are banned at the pharmacy, there will be other ways to obtain them. There won't be a need for old fashioned back alley abortions unless there are complications after using drugs.

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Old 05-19-2021, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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"Out of sight, out of mind" seems to better describe the Pro-deathers. Seems to be their answer to unintended and unwanted pregnancies. Don't want to see the human life within them, just want it to be gone.
So don't you want all people to always abstain from sexual intercourse unless they want a baby? If so, homely people will find abstaining not hard to do at all, but other people with loads of charm and good looks likely won't find it easy to do.
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