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In my state, our producers have their hands tied for expanding production by the environmentalists and have managed to get by (so far) with incentives, credits for updating homes, and stipulating efficiency REQUIREMENTS for new homes.
Regarding Europe, yes they pay more for electricity, but they also aren't shying away from Nuclear power either. France's TGV, up to 350KM/H train is electric, mainly supported by nuclear power, and allows a passenger to get a first class ticket from Italy to Paris for around 45 Euros. It was a massive initial investment by the French government, but has matured over the years and now is used by over 110 million people each year. That ridership and resulting revenue supports top of the line maintenance in not only the trains themselves but the electrical grid and power plants that serve them.
It's far past time our government started to invest accordingly, instead of spending billions on legal representation for illegals, for example.
Nuclear makes sense for the grid, but there is NIMBY to deal with. It's a loser for sure and that's too bad. This is why many utilities are upgrading their facilities to get another 20 years out of them. Up rate processes are happening where it can get approval.
Last one I supported did an upgrade/uprate, had their license extended for 20 years (went commercial in 1978) and added 120MW to each unit. It's a big deal and VERY expensive.
Going electric for cars is great, but it doesn't stop there.
I live directly under the Victoria to Vancouver flight path of Harbor Air's seaplane service, and their electric sea plane just flew over me...No engine sound, just a low pitched whistling noise...
All electric ferries on the way.... Gonna need more juice!
Once electric charging technology can be installed at BC Ferries’ terminals, these new ships will be configured to operate as all battery-electric ferries, using clean renewable hydroelectric energy. Island Class ferries have the capacity to carry at least 47 vehicles and up to 400 passengers and crew, and allow for fleet redeployments and retirements of existing diesel-fuelled vessels.
The big reason we will go electric for cars is that they will be cheaper/easier to produce for manufacturers. They will gladly meet outrageous CAFE requirements and greenie ambitions when it helps the bottom line. They will also be hugely popular with fleet buyers since you could swap 'engines' and repair/refurbish at a central point instead of taking the vehicle out of service for a prolonged period.
The big reason we will go electric for cars is that they will be cheaper/easier to produce for manufacturers. They will gladly meet outrageous CAFE requirements and greenie ambitions when it helps the bottom line.
Say it ain't so. Automobile manufacturers wouldn't do that to us. They say it is about the huge cost of batteries
MSRP from
$27,155 Ford Mustang (2.3 L 4-cylinder) 4.0 to 4.8 gallons per 100 miles
$36,120 Ford Mustang (5.0 Liter V8) 5.3 to 5.9 gallons per 100 miles
$42,895 Ford Mustang Mach-E Select 230 miles 68 kWh
$47,000 Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium 230 miles 68 kWh
$49,800 Ford Mustang Mach-E California Route 1 305 miles 88 kWh
Note that the California Route 1 has a battery with an extra 20 kWh but the list price is only an additional $2,800 ($140 per extra kWh).
The implication is the first 68 kWh battery should only cost the buyer 68 * $140 = $9,520. That battery cost should be more than offset by the fact that it is a lot cheaper to build a motor than an engine.
But the base EV version is $15,740 over the base ICE version or $231 per kWh ($15,740/68). The other way to calculate it is that Ford is taking your $7500 incentive and pocketing it.
For people who don't give a crap.
$72,900 Ford Shelby GT500 Mustang 7.1 gallons per 100 miles ($5,400 gas guzzler tax)
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They will also be hugely popular with fleet buyers since you could swap 'engines' and repair/refurbish at a central point instead of taking the vehicle out of service for a prolonged period.
I know you put it in quotes, so I know what you meant, but you are swapping motor parts and not 'engines'. Hopefully some of those maintenance savings will trickle down to the consumer. If you break down in some small town, your car will self diagnose and have Amazon send a replacement by drone.
Elon and Jeff are going become so rich that they will be cloned with mind downloads and live forever.
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If fuel is so expensive in the EU then why is this true... Despite the segment's (EV's) rapid growth, as of December 2020, only 1% of all passenger cars on European roads were plug-in electric.
Most people fail to think that millions of people live in areas where temps get below 20 degrees and beyond into the negatives. Batteries and electronics in general don’t tolerate the cold too well and will eventually break down. Its cute watching people who brought their Prius when they first came out to cold climates. They were strictly running on their gas engine and never electric motor. Some Tesla driver was stranded in South Dakota one day when the power went out and cold sucked his battery dead car never charged. So good luck
Most people fail to think that millions of people live in areas where temps get below 20 degrees and beyond into the negatives. Batteries and electronics in general don’t tolerate the cold too well and will eventually break down. Its cute watching people who brought their Prius when they first came out to cold climates. They were strictly running on their gas engine and never electric motor. Some Tesla driver was stranded in South Dakota one day when the power went out and cold sucked his battery dead car never charged. So good luck
Not sure where you’re getting this from? I’m in Minnesota and have never heard of people having this issue. There are tons of Priuses here and plenty of Teslas and other EVs on the road. I’ve been driving a Tesla for going on three years and it works great in cold climate.
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