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View Poll Results: Are electric vehicles the wave of the future?
Yes 158 49.69%
No 160 50.31%
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:18 PM
 
Location: USA
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I'm more interested in seeing low-cost electric assist bicycles or motorcycles in urban/suburban areas. There is no easier or funner way to get around, and expenses are negligible.
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I'm more interested in seeing low-cost electric assist bicycles or motorcycles in urban/suburban areas. There is no easier or funner way to get around, and expenses are negligible.
I love Zero motorcycles. I wish they weren’t so expensive though.
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Electric Vehicles aren't a future at all.

- It takes hours to charge EVs. It takes minutes to refill ICEs.

- Battery performances rapidly degrade. That 300 mile charge will be 150 miles inside of the 1st year.

- There are not enough EV charging stations and, there never will be because EV charge ports require more juice than we can produce, without more harm to the environment by way of more power plants.

- Lithium strip mines are exponentially more damaging to the environment than oil wells.

- When the EV batteries die, that's it they're dead. Engines can be repaired relatively easily to last decades longer than any battery.

- Dead batteries are big, heavy and, toxic.

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For all the damage that gets done on the production end to produce an electric vehicle, EVs NEED :

- To be fully charged within 5 minutes.

- Go AT LEAST 1000 miles on a full charge.

- Have that full charge last AT LEAST 5 years.

If an EV can't do those, EVs harm to the environment is actually much worse per vehicle!

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With current technology only commercial shipping vehicles are viable (since the economic impact of each truck is larger than its' expense) and they are parked in warehouses that can support the charging port infrastructure.
Excellent post. You are correct, there is nothing "green" or "renewable" whatsoever about electric vehicles. Actually, the "greenest" car you can buy is a used vehicle.
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Currently my hopes are pinned on hydrogen fuel cells but I'm not an engineer and am open to that changing. Infrastructure is definitely an issue there, however.
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Excellent post. You are correct, there is nothing "green" or "renewable" whatsoever about electric vehicles. Actually, the "greenest" car you can buy is a used vehicle.
Or greener yet, ride a bike or walk everywhere.
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:50 PM
 
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This is exactly backwards. If it happens, it will only be because the government mandates it.

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I think ultimately, yes. But it won't happen because government pushes it. The market will have to make it happen.
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Or greener yet, ride a bike or walk everywhere.
Instead of taking about electric vehicles, we should be taking about creating compact and walkable communities where a car is not necessary.
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:52 PM
 
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I mean, Im sure people didn’t think horses would be replaced.

Why not? What’s so bad? It’s literally the same thing we have now, just powered differently...
I want to know how they will work when it’s 30 degrees below zero and deep snow to plow through.
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Instead of taking about electric vehicles, we should be taking about creating compact and walkable communities where a car is not necessary.
That would be the ultimate goal. Unfortunately most places in the US are car dependent (with the exception of NYC, SF and a few other places) and this is why an EV can be a good option for many Americans.
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Old 05-18-2021, 11:11 PM
 
Location: 89434
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They are starting to come into the market but they're 40k
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