Norman Finkelstein: Israel is a lunatic state (Iran, legal, regular)
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When America began its modern economic (i.e., non-military) aid program in the early 1960s, it was intended only for developing Third World countries. But once again, Israel is the exception -- the only rich, First World nation that receives U.S. economic aid.
A big disadvantage for Israel and supporters of Israel, Jewish or not, is how easy it is to find Jews and Jewish organizations to recite how damnable Israel is. You'll rarely, if ever, find a Muslim or palestinian individual or group who'll have any part in saying there's even a teeny-weeny bit of right in anything Israel's ever done.
Not so rare. For years now, (mostly Neocon) websites and publishers have promoted a stream of Muslim writers who condemn radical Islam for its suppression of feminism, LGBT people, and Israel. Not hard to find.
Yes, it’s quite sad. I’ve heard it said that Jews are the only group to vote against their own self-interests.
No. It's whites, more than any other group, who vote and speak against their self-interests.
I often hear Jews (and blacks, Latinos, etc.) saying how proud they are of their people, their race, their heritage. And politicians, celebrities, etc. line up to celebrate them.
By contrast, whites are daily pressured to apologize for their "white privilege."
Imagine if all instances of the phrase "white privilege" -- in print and media -- were replaced with the phrase "Jewish privilege." Then you'd know what it really feels like to be the daily target of hate.
The money given to Egypt is for Israel's benefit. It's a bribe to the Egyptians to make peace with Israel.
Actually, not so much.
It's true that every other nation must spend its U.S. military aid on U.S. companies. But Israel is the exception. Its lobby is so powerful, it demanded, and got, an okay from Congress, allowing Israel to spend much of its money on its own Israeli military companies.
The richest country as well. The people have better access to healthcare and education than most Americans. But we are expected to serve their interest first.
Reminds me how neocons were upset that America arrested Israeli spies for spying on America. In fact we mostly let them get away with it for some reason and even apologize.
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz
You know why. It's the same reason both parties acted like a bunch of pathetic sycophants when Benjamin Netanyahu spoke in Congress several years back. They have to.
No. It's whites, more than any other group, who vote and speak against their self-interests.
I often hear Jews (and blacks, Latinos, etc.) saying how proud they are of their people, their race, their heritage. And politicians, celebrities, etc. line up to celebrate them.
By contrast, whites are daily pressured to apologize for their "white privilege."
Imagine if all instances of the phrase "white privilege" -- in print and media -- were replaced with the phrase "Jewish privilege." Then you'd know what it really feels like to be the daily target of hate.
Oh, yeah....as a Jew, I have no idea what it feels like to be the daily target of hate. And in case you don’t realize it, I’m white too. So I’m getting it from both angles - all the anti-white wokeness going on, and the acceptance of antisemitism among Democrats, where I’m condemned for supporting Israel.
I find it very odd that a white non-Jew is lecturing a Jew on what it feels like to be hated. Have you read some of the venom on this forum?
Anyways when you have nothing substantive to say that is where we end up. Israel steals land and uses this as an excuse to bomb Palestinians.
They use the US government and then assassinate our active duty military troops.
Again Israel vacated Gaza in 2005. Hamas decided to launch rockets at Israel and Israel responded as would any other nation that was attacked in such a fashion.
Israel does NOT purposely assassinate active duty US military troops. The one case where that happened (decades ago) was a mistake.
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Originally Posted by BoSox 15
I guess the other side of the question is - what are we getting out of this "partnership"? Through 2014 we've provided $118,247,570,000 in support to Israel.
The creation of Israel in 1948 displaced a lot of the indigenous population and gave it to jews who have no genetic relation to the jews that lived there 2000 years ago. I'm not big pro or anti-israel at this point but it is fascinating.
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