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Old 09-02-2021, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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If a woman does not want to get pregnant, either do not have sex or take precautions to prevent pregnancy. With all of the forms of birth control that exist, there is no excuse of an accidental pregnancy.
You see, a birth control pill is a prescription drug. That means that they need to visit a doctor to get one.
Some women can't visit a doctor due to several reasons: they are uninsured, they don't have money, they are intimidated by parents or their partner, they don't have access or transportation to see a doctor.
And there are women who's religion or husband's tell them not to take any pills.
Not to mention that there are plenty of women that don't understand how pregnancy happen or how their body works. It's not something that is universally taught in schools.

There are also people that get raped...
Pregnancy CAN happen even when all precautions are met.

BTW:
Under the Trump-Pence administration's refusal policies, health care workers in the U.S. can deny patients services like birth control, abortion, sterilization, hormone therapy, and HPV vaccines. There are no protections for patients, not even in an emergency.
And some doctors/pharmacists in backward regions of our country refuse to dispense it, because doing so violates their personal, moral or religious beliefs.

So, I don't think your statement is true.

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It is good that these irresponsible women are now being held accountable for their poor decisions.
Seriously? Are men not responsible at all? I thought it takes two to tango...

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Old 09-02-2021, 06:29 PM
 
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2021 is calling. Women have equal rights now and should be held accountable for their actions (just like men are).
You will find no sympathy here.
Nonsense. Most health insurances cover contraception, including Medicaid plans.
Sex education can be obtained with the click of a button. This is no excuse.
If you don't want to get pregnant, then don't have sex. If you have sex, you take on that risk. That's life.

If contraception is used correctly, there is no risk of an accidental pregnancy. On top of that, there is always the morning after pill (in the case of a condom break or something similar).
Oh dear. You are totally ignorant regarding contraception and availability & knowledge. ( let alone we are discussing Texas where sex ed is probably outlawed in some schools). Contraception fails frequently. The pill can fail. IUDs can fail. Condoms leak undetected and on and on. No contraception is 100% effective.

But you do seem to be an expert on vindictive & self-righteous attitudes which, I repeat, stems from a belief that sex is bad and must be punished. Women must be held accountable for having sex, says, you.

Motherhood should never be punishment for having sex. Forcing a child to be born to punish its mother is the accountability you seek? Do you even hear yourself?
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Old 09-02-2021, 06:35 PM
 
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You see, a birth control pill is a prescription drug. That means that they need to visit a doctor to get one.
Some women can't visit a doctor due to several reasons: they are uninsured, they don't have money, they don't have access or transportation to see a doctor.
And there are people who's religion or husband's tell them not to take any pills.
Not to mention that there are plenty of women that don't understand how pregnancy happen or how their body works. It's not something that is universally taught in schools.

There are also people that get raped...

BTW:
Under the Trump-Pence administration's refusal policies, health care workers in the U.S. can deny patients services like birth control, abortion, sterilization, hormone therapy, and HPV vaccines. There are no protections for patients, not even in an emergency.
And some doctors/pharmacists in backward regions of our country refuse to dispense it, because doing so violates their personal, moral or religious beliefs.

So, I don't think your statement is true.
No offense, but your thoughts are irrelevant, especially since they are demonstrably false.

A simple Google search (literally the first result) shows this link:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...-control-pills

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For most brands, 1 pill pack lasts for 1 month, and each pack can cost anywhere from $0-$50. But they’re totally free with most health insurance plans, or if you qualify for some government programs. In most states, you can even get birth control pills prescribed and mailed to you using the Planned Parenthood Direct app.

You may also need to pay for an appointment with a doctor or nurse to get a prescription for the pill. This visit can cost anywhere from $35–$250. But under the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare), most insurance plans must cover doctor’s visits that are related to birth control.
Now, being a millennial myself, do I think that people my age and younger should be more responsible when it comes to sex in general? Absolutely. Because of this, I'm not a huge fan of Planned Parenthood either. But this is a rabbit hole discussion that will ultimately take us far off topic. So I will leave it there.
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Old 09-02-2021, 06:39 PM
 
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Oh dear. You are totally ignorant regarding contraception and availability & knowledge. ( let alone we are discussing Texas where sex ed is probably outlawed in some schools). Contraception fails frequently. The pill can fail. IUDs can fail. Condoms leak undetected and on and on. No contraception is 100% effective.
They are effective when used correctly.

See my above comment for information on the availability of contraception. Spoiler: contraception is widely available, easily obtainable, and very affordable.

There is no excuse not to use it if you do not wish to have children.

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But you do seem to be an expert on vindictive & self-righteous attitudes which, I repeat, stems from a belief that sex is bad and must be punished. Women must be held accountable for having sex, says, you.
All people should be held accountable for all decisions. This just comes with being an adult. Don't try to make my statements into something they are not.

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Motherhood should never be punishment for having sex. Forcing a child to be born to punish its mother is the accountability you seek? Do you even hear yourself?
Motherhood can be a consequence of having sex. It is not a punishment, but a neutral consequence.

Nobody is forced to engage in behaviors that produce children. If they engage in these behaviors, it is possible that they may have unwanted consequences (not unlike driving too fast or doing drugs).
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Old 09-02-2021, 06:40 PM
 
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2021 is calling. Women have equal rights now and should be held accountable for their actions (just like men are).

You will find no sympathy here.



Nonsense. Most health insurances cover contraception, including Medicaid plans.

Sex education can be obtained with the click of a button. This is no excuse.



If you don't want to get pregnant, then don't have sex. If you have sex, you take on that risk. That's life.

If contraception is used correctly, there is no risk of an accidental pregnancy. On top of that, there is always the morning after pill (in the case of a condom break or something similar).
Yes women like men are now equal. Women can walk away from a unwanted pregnancy just as many men do. She aborts if that’s her choice. Health insurance? irresponsible people and young kids don’t have jobs to have health insurance. Comprehensive sex Ed and access to bc is not had by clicking a button. It isn’t realistic to expect people to give up sex. Bc can fail even taken as directed.
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Old 09-02-2021, 06:45 PM
 
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This is really cut and dry.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HA1SlyxRfY
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Old 09-02-2021, 06:48 PM
 
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Yes women like men are now equal. Women can walk away from a unwanted pregnancy just as many men do. She aborts if that’s her choice.
Well, this brings us back to the original argument.

And, no, women should not have the right to kill a living being due to inconvenience.

By law, men cannot simply walk away from their responsibility in this regard. They are forced to pay child support, lest they risk winding up in debtors' prison. Therefore, they are held accountable for their actions. Women should also be held accountable.

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Health insurance? irresponsible people and young kids don’t have jobs to have health insurance.
They can just go on Medicaid or an Obamacare plan.

Alternatively, they simply be held accountable for their actions.

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Comprehensive sex Ed and access to bc is not had by clicking a button.
Most people in my generation (Millennials) know how to use Google. All of the information is there.

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It isn’t realistic to expect people to give up sex. Bc can fail even taken as directed.
The likelihood of a birth control failure is exceedingly slim if used correctly. If everyone used birth control, it would be nonexistent. Nexplanon has a greater than 99% success rate and condoms have a 98% success rate. When used together, the couple will not be getting pregnant.
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Old 09-02-2021, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The bold text is simply not true.

Actually Roe v Wade put limits on abortions and when they can be limited by states. Roe v Wade says this:

Roe v. Wade Case Summary: What You Need to Know

  • During a pregnant woman's first trimester, the Court held, a state cannot regulate abortion beyond requiring that the procedure be performed by a licensed doctor in medically safe conditions.
  • During the second trimester, the Court held, a state may regulate abortion if the regulations are reasonably related to the health of the pregnant woman.
  • During the third trimester of pregnancy, the state's interest in protecting the potential human life outweighs the woman's right to privacy. As a result, the state may prohibit abortions unless abortion is necessary to save the life or health of the mother.
Sounds like this law is already in violation of the first two restrictions placing the threshold at 6 weeks.

This court needed to have an urgent ruling on pandemic restrictions for religious institutions but they couldn't bring themselves to have a reasonable debate on this obviously unconstitutional law.
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Old 09-02-2021, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Thank goodness there is still help:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/pl...-abortion-laws
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Old 09-02-2021, 07:40 PM
 
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Well, this brings us back to the original argument.

And, no, women should not have the right to kill a living being due to inconvenience.

By law, men cannot simply walk away from their responsibility in this regard. They are forced to pay child support, lest they risk winding up in debtors' prison. Therefore, they are held accountable for their actions. Women should also be held accountable.



They can just go on Medicaid or an Obamacare plan.

Alternatively, they simply be held accountable for their actions.



Most people in my generation (Millennials) know how to use Google. All of the information is there.



The likelihood of a birth control failure is exceedingly slim if used correctly. If everyone used birth control, it would be nonexistent. Nexplanon has a greater than 99% success rate and condoms have a 98% success rate. When used together, the couple will not be getting pregnant.
Men do walk away and never pay child support. You live in a fantasy if you think horny teens are gonna jump thru hoops to get bc. It should be available free in school. Relying on google for sex Ed is haphazard at best. It’s simple don’t abort if you don’t want to. Women do get a choice. We don’t have to run it by you or anyone else. You believe saying yes to sex is saying yes to pregnancy and parenthood. Lots of us disagree.
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