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The American Taliban instituting it's own brand of Sharia Law. We as a country better decide if we want to become a fundamentalist religious state and be ruled by our own form of the Taliban or not. Allowing this abomination of a law to stand is exactly what this will lead to.
I won't be surprised new abortion bans in states will stand if women can easily go around them to end their pregnancies by simply downing abortion inducing drugs. Plan B will become more popular, too. Bans on drugs can be worked around, too. As a result, no shocking stories of women dying from not being able to get needed abortions. So no motivation will arise to do the work to repeal abortion bans. Women are welcome to prove me wrong.
If abortion ban laws are allowed to prevail, then no doubt the next goal for the religious right is to get rid of all LGBT rights.
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I won't be surprised new abortion bans in states will stand if women can easily go around them to end their pregnancies by simply downing abortion inducing drugs. Plan B will become more popular, too. Bans on drugs can be worked around, too. As a result, no shocking stories of women dying from not being able to get needed abortions. So no motivation will arise to do the work to repeal abortion bans. Women are welcome to prove me wrong.
If abortion ban laws are allowed to prevail, then no doubt the next goal for the religious right is to get rid of all LGBT rights.
This is all bad timing for the GOP. Sure short term they can do a victory dance on this. But Biden and the dems have all sorts of problems now. Afghanistan, Covid, the hurricane and the economy slowing down. Biden is down to 43% approval. Looked like the midterms were ripe for the GOP to make big gains.
But now this Texas law is going to invigorate the dems like nothing else. Especially since most red states will quickly pass copycat bills in their state. Instead of focusing on Biden and all the things going wrong they will focus on the GOP. And if the SCOTUS does not take this up look for Biden to pack the courts and the new normal of each party flipping the supremes their way each time they take the white house.
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This is all bad timing for the GOP. Sure short term they can do a victory dance on this. But Biden and the dems have all sorts of problems now. Afghanistan, Covid, the hurricane and the economy slowing down. Biden is down to 43% approval. Looked like the midterms were ripe for the GOP to make big gains.
But now this Texas law is going to invigorate the dems like nothing else. Especially since most red states will quickly pass copycat bills in their state. Instead of focusing on Biden and all the things going wrong they will focus on the GOP. And if the SCOTUS does not take this up look for Biden to pack the courts and the new normal of each party flipping the supremes their way each time they take the white house.
I think you’re missing the larger point that the majority of Americans don’t want this. And they certainly don’t want this bizarre law where a behavior is declared illegal but the state has no intention of prosecuting violators. And now citizens are encouraged to
Point wild fingers around at others they think may have abetted the crime and there’s no way to
Push back. The right will certainly realize they don’t want that crazy unbalanced tactic used against THEM, and the smart ones know it will eventually unless this gets knocked down.
A couple of things to respond to some recent posts -
Someone can only be sued under this law for aiding/abetting if s/he did so knowingly. So the UPS driver, etc. could not. The more difficult question is the Uber driver. The law provides an affirmative defense if the aiding/abetting defendant thought the doctor would perform the heartbeat test and follow the law if there was a heartbeat. The law also says it is the defendant's burden to prove. So I wonder if Uber drivers who are hired for rides to the clinic will be questioning the women and recording their answers? Just a little intrusive. I expect most women will simply ask for a ride to a nearby shop and walk from there.
The law specifically prohibits defendants from collecting their court costs if they prevail. This is really unfortunate. It cuts down on the incentive for people to file these suits based on suspicion, innuendo or malice.
Sadly I think this law will have the effect I expect the legislators intended. Clinics will comply and go out of businesses because, as many have pointed out here, it is rare that a woman knows she is pregnant at 6 weeks. So if the clinic only performs procedures on those women who are aware they are pregnant that early, they won't be able to survive financially. And by the time the cases challenging the law work their way through the slow court system, there won't be any providers left in Texas anyway. That is why the Supreme Court action is such a big deal. They sis not rule on the law itself, but merely refused to place an emergency stay on it.
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A couple of things to respond to some recent posts -
Someone can only be sued under this law for aiding/abetting if s/he did so knowingly. So the UPS driver, etc. could not. The more difficult question is the Uber driver. The law provides an affirmative defense if the aiding/abetting defendant thought the doctor would perform the heartbeat test and follow the law if there was a heartbeat. The law also says it is the defendant's burden to prove. So I wonder if Uber drivers who are hired for rides to the clinic will be questioning the women and recording their answers? Just a little intrusive. I expect most women will simply ask for a ride to a nearby shop and walk from there.
The law specifically prohibits defendants from collecting their court costs if they prevail. This is really unfortunate. It cuts down on the incentive for people to file these suits based on suspicion, innuendo or malice.
Sadly I think this law will have the effect I expect the legislators intended. Clinics will comply and go out of businesses because, as many have pointed out here, it is rare that a woman knows she is pregnant at 6 weeks. So if the clinic only performs procedures on those women who are aware they are pregnant that early, they won't be able to survive financially. And by the time the cases challenging the law work their way through the slow court system, there won't be any providers left in Texas anyway. That is why the Supreme Court action is such a big deal. They sis not rule on the law itself, but merely refused to place an emergency stay on it.
I think you may have misspoken. This law RAISES the incentive for malicious fraudulent allegations because the plaintiff has absolutely nothing to lose.
I think you may have misspoken. This law RAISES the incentive for malicious fraudulent allegations because the plaintiff has absolutely nothing to lose.
In a fraudulent allegation filing, the plaintiff loses all their costs of the lawsuit.
I think you’re missing the larger point that the majority of Americans don’t want this. And they certainly don’t want this bizarre law where a behavior is declared illegal but the state has no intention of prosecuting violators. And now citizens are encouraged to
Point wild fingers around at others they think may have abetted the crime and there’s no way to
Push back. The right will certainly realize they don’t want that crazy unbalanced tactic used against THEM, and the smart ones know it will eventually unless this gets knocked down.
We don't have a real majority of Americans on any issue. Very tribal now with each side about the same size more or less on each side of an issue. You are looking at it from the left and think that those on the right will see this law the way you do, but that is not going to happen. And reality is abortions in Texas will grind to a halt. No one will be telling on anyone because there is nothing to tell.
It plays well to the GOP base. They figured out a way of passing a law that is hard to block implementation in the courts. Even though its likely to be eventually stopped because it clearly violates Roe v Wade the GOP will call it a victory because at the least they made the left squirm about this. I was listening to some on the left talking about it and how this sort of thing could be used to ban guns if blue states passed a similar law. Especially if Biden packs the courts.
If you look at the Gallup poll. Its about a 50-50 split on abortion. And surprising like more than 20% of GOP are pro choice and over 20% of dems are pro-life. So really 40% or so of the voters are pro life GOP and about 40% of voters are pro choice Dems. The other 20% are at odds with their party on abortion.
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