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Old 09-14-2021, 02:57 AM
 
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How do you know it's "for their own good?" Remember the stats I posted:

TX: percent of female population 15 to 44 years of age vs. percentage of abortions

White: 43% vs. 27%
Hispanic: 36% vs. 37%
Black: 13% vs. 30%

Source: TX HHS https://www.hhs.texas.gov/sites/defa...-residents.pdf

Whites are underrepresented, Hispanics are close to equal representation, but Black babies are killed at highly disproportionate rates.

Poverty rates do not explain the disparate impact.

Poverty rate in TX by race:

Hispanic: 20.72%
Black: 19.33%

Blacks have a slightly lower poverty rate than Hispanics, but a 2.25 times higher abortion rate.

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...&g=0400000US48

There's something else going on that's impacting the grossly disparate rates besides any kind of supposed financial hardship.

Fetuses are terminated, not babies are killed.
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:18 AM
 
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Fetuses are terminated, not babies are killed.
Fetuses are killed. Those who kill them are charged with murder, or at least manslaughter. Scott Peterson, for example, was charged with and convicted of killing a fetus. The jury convicted Peterson of two counts of murder: first-degree murder with special circumstances for killing Laci, and second-degree murder for killing the fetus she carried.
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:23 AM
 
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The left supports sanctuary cities and states where they not only don't follow federal law, but actively impede and don't cooperate with federal officials.

What if the red states created sanctuary states and cities for fetuses by heavily taxing abortion places or some other method. The left would approve of this flaunting of national law, because they do it, correct?

Gun sanctuary states.

Vaccine mandate sanctuary states.

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Old 09-14-2021, 08:08 AM
 
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Again, I said it's based on what the word means.

Homicide is the killing of a human by a human, and that's exactly what abortion is.

You can argue that you don't mind homicide in certain instances like homicide by would be mothers so as to not be inconvenienced by the consequences of their own reckless behavior, but that doesn't change the fact it's homicide.
When a soldier (a human) kills a soldier or civilian (humans) during war time is it homicide. Wen a prisoner is executed by the state, is it homicide. When a human takes their own life, is it homicide. When a doctor kills a patient through negligence or separating conjoined twins is it homicide. When a human kills another human is self defense, is it homicide. When a person kills a human in a traffic accident is it homicide?
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:14 AM
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The new Texas anti-abortion law could raise the likelihood of some women being unbelievably cruel enough to throw their unwanted newborns into dumpsters. I think in some states a law tries to prevent such horror from happening by making it legal for a woman to hand over her unwanted newborn to a responsible adult and leave with no questions asked. If Texas doesn't already have a law, such as this, then why the hell not?
Texas does have that law, dubbed the "Baby Moses" Law - but I've never seen anyone do it correctly. The law is that if you bring a healthy newborn to a "safe place" and place the baby in such a way that it is immediately known by staff that a baby has been left, you're good.

But there's always some loop hole. "She didn't say she was leaving it under the Baby Moses Law protection" is the last thing I heard when someone left a baby at a fire station, in full view of a uniformed fire fighter.

So although the law is intended to prevent dumping newborns in dumpsters, it always seems that there's some reason LE is trying to go after and ID the mom.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:15 AM
 
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As I've already posted, SCOTUS has already set the precedent that disparate impact is a means of proving racial discrimination. Some hard questions are going to have to be asked of abortion providers: Why are you killing a higher percentage of Black and Hispanic babies than white babies?
Perhaps those questions need to asked first to OBs and hospitals as to why the maternal morbidity rate for black women is twice that of white women. That is certainly not their choice or free will like choosing to abort.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:17 AM
 
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Perhaps those questions need to asked first to OBs and hospitals as to why the maternal morbidity rate for black women is twice that of white women. That is certainly not their choice or free will like choosing to abort.
Poor lifestyle choices, diet, and hereditary conditions is why.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:19 AM
 
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The new Texas anti-abortion law could raise the likelihood of some women being unbelievably cruel enough to throw their unwanted newborns into dumpsters. I think in some states a law tries to prevent such horror from happening by making it legal for a woman to hand over her unwanted newborn to a responsible adult and leave with no questions asked. If Texas doesn't already have a law, such as this, then why the hell not?
There is a law in Texas allowing mothers to drop off their newborn at a safe place like a hospital or fire station. Adoption is also an option.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:22 AM
 
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That (minorities thinking for themselves) didn't fly in the housing discrimination lawsuit, and won't fly in a racial discrimination disparate impact lawsuit against abortion providers for killing Black and Hispanic babies at a higher rate than whites.
You realize discrimination is prejudicial treatment between different groups. If abortion providers were being discriminatory they would be refusing to preform solicited abortions for one category or the other.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:27 AM
 
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When a soldier (a human) kills a soldier or civilian (humans) during war time is it homicide. Wen a prisoner is executed by the state, is it homicide. When a human takes their own life, is it homicide. When a doctor kills a patient through negligence or separating conjoined twins is it homicide. When a human kills another human is self defense, is it homicide. When a person kills a human in a traffic accident is it homicide?
Yes, it's homicide. Some are legally justifiable. Others are not.

Legal definition of justifiable homicide: a killing without malicious intent, for which there can be no blame, such as self-defense to protect oneself or to protect another, or the shooting by a law enforcement officer in fulfilling his/her duties.

Some homicides during a war are justifiable. Some are not. People have been tried for and convicted of war crimes for wartime homicides which were not justifiable.

The sole purpose of abortion is to end the human life of another. There is no justifiable homicide via abortion except for when either the mother's and/or the baby's life is in mortal danger due to health problems.
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