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Old 09-21-2021, 01:21 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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That appears to be a common trend among some anti abortion posters.
It's because one requires hard work and compassion. The other? a loud mouth from the cheap seats...
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Old 09-21-2021, 01:21 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Cool. So your whole jam is about issuing fault rather than lending women support through a medical situation. Can't wait until you get a ride on the Karma bus...
Wouldn't it make a hell of a lot more sense if the women actually thought about what they wanted in their immediate, near, and further off future and if they didn't want a pregnancy/child but were sexually active, actually took the RESPONSIBILITY to actively prevent it?

We've already seen the stats. About half of all pregnancies in the US are unintended, and 95% of those are due to either LACK of use of birth control (54%) or using it inconsistently/incorrectly (41%). There's absolutely NO excuse for that 95%. It's hard to feel sympathy for them when they did this to themselves by being utterly irresponsible with their reproductive health. Birth control is readily available and either free or very cheap. Federal taxpayers fund THOUSANDS of Title X Family Planning Clinics (read: FREE birth control) located throughout the US. There are two within 15 miles of my home and I live in a remote town (residential population just under 400). The nearest large-ish city (population 250,000) is about 75 miles away.

It's ridiculously absurd to treat women as incompetent idiots who can't possibly manage their own reproductive health, but such is the left's bigotry of low expectations. They do the exact same thing to Blacks. They think Blacks are capable of only very little (examples: they can't get an ID and according to Joe Biden, don't know how to get on the internet ), and it ends up being a self-fulfilling prophecy. The left is loaded with disgustingly oppressive sexist and racist mentalities that infantalize whole swaths of the population for no reason whatsoever besides their own bigotry.
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Old 09-21-2021, 01:24 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Again. I will go with what I have read over your opinions.
Not my opinion. They're facts. Source: Guttmacher.
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I dont give a rats hairy bum if the woman forgot to take her pill, her IUD fell out, the condom broke, she didnt have her diaphragm or she was chit faced drunk and threw caution to the wind.

You claimed "Nope. Most women, like me, are able to responsibly manage their reproductive health". yet statistically 45% of pregnancies are unplanned.
Uh huh, last I checked, 55% is most. Having a problem with math, are you?
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Old 09-21-2021, 01:32 PM
 
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Wouldn't it make a hell of a lot more sense if
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and there in lies your problem. You fail to understand humanity and instead judge the world based on comparison to your own life and experiences and opinions.

We could begin a list of human fallacy/short comings/social, humanitarian, medical and economic failures beginning with wouldn't if make a hell of a lot more sense if....
But that doesn't solve anything.
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Old 09-21-2021, 01:42 PM
 
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and there in lies your problem. You fail to understand humanity and instead judge the world based on comparison to your own life and experiences and opinions.
I do understand humanity. There are actions and there are consequences. Humans can and do act in detrimental ways despite the KNOWN possible consequences. This is no different. Far too many women are engaging in unprotected sex and then... quelle SURPRISE!!!... find themselves pregnant. You must think it comes as a surprise to overeaters that they're obese and that drug abusers find themselves addicted. These are all KNOWN outcomes to certain activities. Don't want the result? Don't engage in the behavior that yields that result.
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We could begin a list of human fallacy/short comings/social, humanitarian, medical and economic failures beginning with wouldn't if make a hell of a lot more sense if....
But that doesn't solve anything.
Well... in 95% of cases of unintended pregnancies, pregnant IS as pregnant DOES. It's their own fault for having unprotected sex. The outcome is easily predictable. They CHOSE it by engaging in the action, anyway.
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Old 09-21-2021, 01:47 PM
 
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Not my opinion. They're facts. Source: Guttmacher.
Uh huh, last I checked, 55% is most. Having a problem with math, are you?
"it's the women's own fault for being irresponsible with their reproductive health" is not a fact.

Again your opinion that statistics are literal and that a comparison of births to abortions is a measure of reproductive management.

That fact that you believe an actual 55% of all births are actually planned out is laughable.
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Old 09-21-2021, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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A lawsuit that could test the constitutionality of the nation’s most restrictive abortion ban was filed in Texas on Monday against a doctor who admitted to performing an abortion considered illegal under the new law.

The details of the civil suit against Alan Braid, a physician in San Antonio, are as unusual as the law itself, which empowers private citizens to enforce the ban on abortion once cardiac activity has been detected — often as early as six weeks into a pregnancy.

The plaintiff is a felon serving a federal sentence at home in Arkansas, with no connection to the abortion at issue. He said he filed the claim not because of strongly held views about reproductive rights but in part because of the $10,000 he could receive if the lawsuit is successful. A second, unrelated suit filed Monday — just four paragraphs long — came from a man in Chicago who asked a state court to strike down the abortion law as invalid.

https://www.axios.com/texas-abortion...f6c91ebff.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...007_story.html
"but in part because of the $10,000 he could receive if the lawsuit is successful."

Gee the repubs bribing people to see it their way. Sleazy. btw I'm pro rights of the individual.
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Old 09-21-2021, 02:02 PM
 
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"it's the women's own fault for being irresponsible with their reproductive health" is not a fact.
Actually, it is. It IS irresponsible to not use birth control or use it inconsistently/incorrectly if one doesn't want a pregnancy to result from sexual activity, as a possible pregnancy is a KNOWN outcome.
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That fact that you believe an actual 55% of all births are actually planned out is laughable.
45% are unintended. That means 55% aren't unintended. How else can you take that?
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Old 09-21-2021, 02:27 PM
 
Location: At the corner of happy and free
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Tough. It's true. If one is going to actively participate in an activity with a KNOWN possible outcome (in this case, pregnancy), it is one's responsibility to pay attention to what one is doing if one wants to AVOID that outcome.

Again, 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to LACK of use of birth control (54%) or the incorrect use of birth control (41%). That's a HELL of a lot of irresponsibility. No different than an overeater or drug addict being irresponsible with their body. What happens to each of those? Respectively, obesity and/or damage to one's own health, which is frequently permanent.
You think having sex is comparable to overeating or using drugs? Sex is a very healthy thing to engage in, physically, mentally, and emotionally. You sound like you just don't want people to be enjoying sex, unless their goal is procreating.

I don't see how telling women don't have sex if you aren't willing to accept having a child as a result, would possibly make the world a better place.

1.No sex = no child
2. Sex but BC fails, therefore pregnancy & abortion = no child

You apparently see #1 as preferable. I choose #2 as better. In either scenario, the result is no child. But in #2 women are living as humans are intended to live: enjoying a healthy sex life.

Sure, it would be great if BC always worked, was never ever forgotten, and pregnancy happened only when intended. But that's not the real world.

And I don't see much difference at all in using BC to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall (which is how many forms of BC work), versus having that little cell cluster implant but later have it removed. Either way, no child.
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Old 09-21-2021, 02:50 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You think having sex is comparable to overeating or using drugs?
Overeating, yes. Eating is a primal urge, and to many people, eating more is even more pleasurable. Using drugs is comparable as it, too, triggers feelings of pleasure that one wants to repeat.

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Sex is a very healthy thing to engage in, physically, mentally, and emotionally. You sound like you just don't want people to be enjoying sex, unless their goal is procreating.
Quite the contrary. Using birth control is highly effective at preventing unwanted pregnancy, with several methods having a failure rate in the very low single digits when used correctly. So if women want to have sex but don't want a pregnancy to result, why in the hell are so many not using birth control or using it inconsistently/incorrectly?

And don't tell me it's because of lack of access. Federal taxpayers fund THOUSANDS of Title X Family Planning Clinics (read: FREE birth control) located throughout the US. HHS maintains a list if you need to locate one. Many are in public health department facilities.
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Sure, it would be great if BC always worked, was never ever forgotten, and pregnancy happened only when intended. But that's not the real world.
The real world is NOT birth control has a 42.75% failure rate (45% unintended pregnancies times the 95% caused by no birth control or faulty use).
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