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In using BC? Nope. I've been told over and over that's the man's job.
In communicating her feelings on abortion/children before sex? Nope. I've been told over and over that's the man's job is to let her do whatever she wants. His opinion does not matter.
In supporting the child when born? Nope. I've been told over and over that's the man's job.
So tell me, where does the woman's responsibility lie? She seems really helpless in your scenario. Can't do a THING without the man, except kill the baby.
I’ve suggested everyone of these things in this thread.
Both are responsible for their own reproduction. a committed couple agrees to the methods. I’ve answered this before. Your question why is it mine or your business what type and how people use bc?
Both are responsible for their own reproduction. a committed couple agrees to the methods. I’ve answered this before. Your question why is it mine or your business what type and how people use bc?
So if a woman doesn't use BC, whose fault is it that she gets pregnant (using fault as that is generally how pro abortion side asks this question)?
So you don't really believe in a woman's right to choose. You only believe in a woman's right to choose within the guidelines and timeframe you find acceptable. That's you putting your morals on another person.
Sure, I’m supporting her right to choose with the bounds of what I find reasonable. And what I find reasonable is to preserve a woman’s right to choose up until the point where a fetus is viable and would most likely live if born at that point. The 6 week cutoff legislated by Texas is far far from that point.
The difference between my opinion and the opinions of abortion opponents is that mine allows for her have a choice to have a child or not assuming she makes the decision with the afore mentioned timeframe. They insist they should get to choose for her and feel perfectly entitled to do so.
I think we can all agree that absolute total freedom to do as we please and a civilized society cannot coexist. Given that, my preference is that we abridge personal freedom as little as is reasonably possible.
If this is the stance, of course men make their wishes known so what's with the butt hurt over women being able to choose abortion?
I'm not butthurt over abortion. I think abortion should be legal and a woman's choice, up to birth of the child. I made that clear in my opening. My complaint is when men are punished for a woman's decisions.
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I assume for you it is the state "enforced" child support payments when the father has no desire to have the child.
It's not just that. It's man being dragged to court over and over again by vindictive women. When you're on the hook for child support, it never ends. She files a motion stating you're making more than you're disclosing etc you're back in court, paying for a lawyer and wasting your time. It ruins the relationships you want, because your ex is trying to destroy your life.
And why? Because you did not want her, you slept with her, because you were young and stupid and horny. But otherwise you had no interest in her.
In an era when abortions were illegal - both parties have to be responsible. But now it's different, the pregnancy was a mistake and we can argue until the cow's come home if both bear equal responsibility for it or not.
But today, the pregnancy is not the end of the story. It's more important what is done after. It's her body, and it will be 100% her choice to keep that baby. The man can try to persuade her, but that's it.
When I make a choice, I own my decision. And she has to as well. Owning it means financially.
In most cases, the woman can financially support the child on her own. The money from the father just boosts the living standards. So it's not as if the taxpayer will be on the hook, most of the time.
But in times the taxpayer will be on the hook because she made a choice to bring a child into this world without money, then that's her fault, and 100% her fault. It was an active decision, not a few seconds of miscalculation. It was an active decision over many months.
I do support some recourse from the state for such women. Such as mandated BC or prison if she's on welfare and chooses to have a child anyways.
In a marriage everything is different. Both parties signed a contractual agreement.
Sure, I’m supporting her right to choose with the bounds of what I find reasonable. And what I find reasonable is to preserve a woman’s right to choose up until the point where a fetus is viable and would most likely live if born at that point. The 6 week cutoff legislated by Texas is far far from that point.
The difference between my opinion and the opinions of abortion opponents is that mine allows for her have a choice to have a child or not assuming she makes the decision with the afore mentioned timeframe. They insist they should get to choose for her and feel perfectly entitled to do so.
I think we can all agree that absolute total freedom to do as we please and a civilized society cannot coexist. Given that, my preference is that we abridge personal freedom as little as is reasonably possible.
So we all, except GoldenPineTree, agree we want to restrict a woman's right to choose. It's just a matter of what and when.
No one here, except GoldenPineTree, really believes in a woman's right to choose. We only believe in a woman's right to do what we say she can do within our own acceptable moral opinion.
We are all, except GoldenPineTree, dictating a woman's rights based on our own moral compass. We are not, except GoldenPineTree, really giving her full control of her own body.
GoldenPineTree is the only one really for a woman's real right to choose. GoldenPineTree is the only one not putting his/her moral opinion on the woman. The rest of us are putting our own moral judgements upon the woman, even ones who claim to be for her right to choose but as we now see really are not for that.
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