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Old 05-21-2021, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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It's not just if you have a degree, but you have to have the right degree.

My degree is in electronics engineering, but ended up working in business law for 26 years. I was passed over for promotion many times because I didn't have a liberal arts degree from the preferred liberal reeducation camp, I mean esteemed bastion of higher learning that the management had partied at on daddy's money for 4 years. Funny thing was, they couldn't do the job and had to rely on peasants like me to do what needed to be done.

Higher education is great if you actually learn something, unfortunately these days it's mostly relegated to indoctrinating young people into the socialist mindset.

 
Old 05-21-2021, 05:09 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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My son is headed toward being an electrician.

Two towns over from me in McMansionville, I could see those attitudes among some. Its being a 250K a year finance guy or nothing for some there.
 
Old 05-21-2021, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Colleges are nothing more than liberal indoctrination centers. Isn't that your usual conservative talking point?
 
Old 05-21-2021, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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OK, but we know that is the exception not the rule. We know income levels by education.
Education comes in many forms. I am in the IT field. College is not as important as certifications that can be obtained from any accredited provider.
 
Old 05-21-2021, 05:48 AM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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Higher education is great if you actually learn something, unfortunately these days it's mostly relegated to indoctrinating young people into the socialist mindset.
Higher education is only going to be as good as degree you choose and the existance of actual jobs for that degree, the costs today are too high to waste 4 years (or more) on personal growth and self discovery...

But it also exposes kids to new thoughts and ideas, often its the first chance they have had to get away from the straight jacket views their parents may belive in. As they learn to think for themselves they can determine what values they will believe in as adults.

If you view this as "indoctrinating young people into the socialist mindset." then i'm sure you will send your kids (if applicable) to a college with the same mindset and values, heaven forbid they should learn to think for themselves....
 
Old 05-21-2021, 05:49 AM
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My son is headed toward being an electrician.

Two towns over from me in McMansionville, I could see those attitudes among some. Its being a 250K a year finance guy or nothing for some there.
Congrats to your son!!!
 
Old 05-21-2021, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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College. Why is there something demeaning about being a blue collar worker. If so, could you please explain!
Let me take a stab at this.
Because college is liberal - teachers, managers, the whole lot of them.
"Teachers" think they are better than everyone else.
If you don't go to college, you are considered 'uneducated' and they don't see 'intellectual' value in a trade. Unless of course, they need a plumber on a Sunday.

If I had it to do all over again, I might have studied carpentry. Or welding. Underwater welding. Dangerous, but they make a TON of money. if money is what your after.

How about we all do what makes us happy and earns us a decent living?

So, people you know are being demeaning to your children because they didn't go to college?
They need to get over their tired selves.
 
Old 05-21-2021, 05:52 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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You should feel flattered that they are being asked that. It sounds like the people asking are genuinely surprised that your kids didn't go to college. Must mean they are smart and carry themselves with dignity and come across well.

Many people who didn't go to college...well, you really don't need to ask.
Hey!!!

Ok maybe you have a point.
 
Old 05-21-2021, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Higher education is only going to be as good as degree you choose and the existance of actual jobs for that degree, the costs today are too high to waste 4 years (or more) on personal growth and self discovery...

But it also exposes kids to new thoughts and ideas, often its the first chance they have had to get away from the straight jacket views their parents may belive in. As they learn to think for themselves they can determine what values they will believe in as adults.

If you view this as "indoctrinating young people into the socialist mindset." then i'm sure you will send your kids (if applicable) to a college with the same mindset and values, heaven forbid they should learn to think for themselves....
Thinking for yourself includes being able to see the blatant falsehoods perpetuated by the "colleges".

It isn't the job of the college to teach you how to think, it's supposed to teach you higher level skills like how to operate on a patient or design the machines that monitor heart rates, blood pressures, or allow a doctor to non-invasively look inside a patient to see what's wrong.

Practical skills that save lives or make lives better is what a college should do.

Teaching someone the beauty of communist theory and that all morality associated with tradition and religion is wrong is not bettering mankind. Just look to the brownshirt antifa thugs and blm terrorists destroying lives and cities all last year to see the benefits of kids being taught to think properly at college.
 
Old 05-21-2021, 06:16 AM
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Thinking for yourself includes being able to see the blatant falsehoods perpetuated by the "colleges".

It isn't the job of the college to teach you how to think, it's supposed to teach you higher level skills like how to operate on a patient or design the machines that monitor heart rates, blood pressures, or allow a doctor to non-invasively look inside a patient to see what's wrong.

Practical skills that save lives or make lives better is what a college should do.

Teaching someone the beauty of communist theory and that all morality associated with tradition and religion is wrong is not bettering mankind. Just look to the brownshirt antifa thugs and him terrorists destroying lives and cities all last year to see the benefits of kids being taught to think properly at college.
As I said choose your degree path wisely to ensure there are actual jobs for that degree but if you think colleges are perpetuating falsehoods then I guess your kids (if any) won't be attending unless it has the same narrow minded perspective that you seem to posses. It is not the job to teach them to think but is often the first opportunity where a child can actually do it. So many grow up in restrictive households and communities that exposure to anything other than overt religious compliance and lock-step conservatism is prohibited.

Teaching communist theory (beyond a course on Russia or politics)where does that come from or do you fear open thought so much that anything outside your acceptance filters is classified as this? Rioters of any ideology are wrong whether they infiltrate social protests or storm the US Capital because Fearless Leader didn't win.
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