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Old 05-24-2021, 10:26 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
Remember all the politicians are DEMOCRATICALLY elected.

It's the politicians we hired doing the bidding for the special interest groups, but we don't do jack squat to stop them.
We do not have to consent, especially if it takes liberty and freedom.

 
Old 05-24-2021, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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If you’re so critical, why quote the autocratic libertarian Hans-Herman Hoppe?
I quote Karl Marx, Mao Zedong, Adolf Hitler, Vladimir Lenin, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Noam Chomsky, Lysander Spooner, John Adams, George Orwell, Thomas Jefferson, Niccolo Machiavelli, George Washington, H.L. Mencken, Alexander Hamilton, Alexander Fraser Tytler, Alexis De Tocqueville, Henry David Thoreau, Frederic Bastiat, Mikhail Bakunin, among many others.


It is easier to see a problem than to fix it. Philosophers are generally correct in their observations and wrong in their solutions. Karl Marx's observations about capitalism are almost 100% correct. His solutions are almost 100% crap.

I'm quoting their observations not their solutions. Truth is truth regardless of who is saying it.

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Old 05-24-2021, 08:38 PM
 
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I quote Karl Marx, Mao Zedong, Adolf Hitler, Vladimir Lenin, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Noam Chomsky, Lysander Spooner, John Adams, George Orwell, Thomas Jefferson, Niccolo Machiavelli, George Washington, H.L. Mencken, Alexander Hamilton, Alexander Fraser Tytler, Alexis De Tocqueville, Henry David Thoreau, Frederic Bastiat, Mikhail Bakunin, among many others.


It is easier to see a problem than to fix it. Philosophers are generally correct in their observations and wrong in their solutions. Karl Marx's observations about capitalism are almost 100% correct. His solutions are almost 100% crap.

I'm quoting their observations not their solutions. Truth is truth regardless of who is saying it.
Karl Marx, who never worked in a day and was terrible with his financial situation, was full of crap!
 
Old 05-24-2021, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Karl Marx, who never worked in a day and was terrible with his financial situation, was full of crap!
Here, tell me which of his observations are incorrect(not predictions, or solutions, just observations).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQgCy_iIcc

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Old 05-25-2021, 05:37 AM
 
Location: *
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Do you think a corporation that operated democratically would be more efficient, more productive, and more innovative? If so, why aren't corporations democratic?
The Constitution does not mention Corporations once, not even sole-proprietarships & yet the rights of Corporations have been greatly expanded in the relatively short 'lifetime' of the United States of America.

The earliest designers of our Country had a healthy scepticism, & even a healthy mistrust, when it came to the rights of corporations because of their history of screwing the people & running roughshod over them when given leeway.

Corporations are, after all, a legal fiction designed to avoid personal liability. The earliest designers granted them the right to exist however with strings attached.

Stating the obvious, much has changed since then, what with the cutting of the strings.

In time, a legal fictive entity designed to avoid liability had to be held accountable or held responsible for its actions that caused harm to live people. & so on.

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Would the military be better if it was democratic? Privates having the same say as generals?

About a third of Americans don't vote. Would America become more efficient, more productive, and more innovative if 100% of the population voted?
During feudalism, each 'monarch' had its own 'military'. That became redundant.

More from Hoppe's Argumentation ethics "logic":

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Hoppe has expressed criticism towards democracy, stating that a monarchy would preserve individual liberty more effectively.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe
 
Old 05-25-2021, 05:55 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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What you are speaking of is not communism.

Woke SJW crap is crap. But it is not communism.
 
Old 05-25-2021, 08:17 AM
 
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Here, tell me which of his observations are incorrect(not predictions, or solutions, just observations).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQgCy_iIcc
I stopped at “his political ideas were used to design disastrous economies and nasty dictatorship. Nonetheless, we shouldn’t reject Marx too quickly.” Please tell me why. Are millions of corpses not enough?

I tried again and still can't finish this horsecrap video. Who in their right mind would agree with this video??? The answer is those who are jealous of the success of other people and wish to enslave them.

Name one “observation,” we can debate.
 
Old 05-25-2021, 08:27 AM
 
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I stopped at “his political ideas were used to design disastrous economies and nasty dictatorship. Nonetheless, we shouldn’t reject Marx too quickly.” Please tell me why. Are millions of corpses not enough?

I tried again and still can't finish this horsecrap video. Who in their right mind would agree with this video??? The answer is those who are jealous of the success of other people and wish to enslave them.

Name one “observation,” we can debate.
It's very much a "but what about Hitler's good ideas?" type arguement they are trying to make.

When you have to preface Marx's ideas with the fact it led to more death and destruction than the holicaust.....I mean, it's probably a good idea to stop there.
 
Old 05-25-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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It's very much a "but what about Hitler's good ideas?" type arguement they are trying to make.

When you have to preface Marx's ideas with the fact it led to more death and destruction than the holicaust.....I mean, it's probably a good idea to stop there.
There are plenty of evil people in the world. I stopped to think the government is our enemy. The real enemy is the people who wish to enslave others, and there are plenty of them.
 
Old 05-25-2021, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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What you are speaking of is not communism.

Woke SJW crap is crap. But it is not communism.
Cultural Marxism.

Instead of economic class, they are using race instead. Pitting "whites" vs "non-whites" as well male vs female.
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