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The problem is that American politics is too divisive and tribal.
At this point, maybe we can work out something where they can get green cards, but never citizenship, and their kids won’t get citizenship either. There will and has to be a consequence. Maybe let their children apply for citizenship if they have lived in the U.S. 25 years with no criminal record and they have achieved a certain amount of education.
In 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a bill that gave citizenship to three million illegal immigrants. The idea was “this could solve our immigration problem”. It obviously did not. It only served as a partial incentive (among others) for more people to come illegally.
Not many people really hate Mexicans, what is there to hate anyway? People are just frustrated that this is a country with broken system.
IMO, anyone here illegally that wants to be made legal and even be given a path to citizenship later should have to return to their homelands and follow the process to come here legally first. It's not fair to legal immigrants who did follow the legal process. Neither of the above are a process that begins on our soil.
IMO, anyone here illegally that wants to be made legal and even be given a path to citizenship later should have to return to their homelands and follow the process to come here legally first. It's not fair to legal immigrants who did follow the legal process. Neither of the above are a process that begins on our soil.
The US has no official language, perhaps that should be changed? Though, having heard some "Italian" American in New Jersey, not sure that can be deemed English either.
So what? Our national de facto language IS English! Don't like it, tough! With all these Spanish speaking illegals here Americans are being discriminated against in hiring practices just for starters. Since when should Americans learn the language of illegal invaders in order to get a job in their own country?
See, that's you, and the great thing about this country, is if you want to waive a Canadian flag at your graduation or bar mitzvah or funeral, go ahead. Or don't. It's none of my business.
As you surely know, becoming a citizen of this country can be incredibly difficult. Nobody celebrates that illegal immigrants are here. The reality is, they are here, they've been here for decades, many had kids here, who are now American, or brought kids here, who know no home other than America. We can say "illegal immigration is wrong" while also saying "it is wrong to break up families, even if their parents broke the law".
Look, we give preferential treatment to all sorts of groups through our immigration policy, and it's good to discuss those policies. But the vast majority of Americans are American by virtue of their ancestors just freaking showing up at the shore without any sort of paperwork. So I have a hard time being too punitive on people who simply want what we all have.
1) if you are an American and you broke the law, you will go to jail and away from your kids.
2) would it be easier for you to say that you want open border instead of wasting time writing that long post?
I love the way that right-wing media teaches hate, even to the point of contradicting themselves. Looky here as American Thinker quotes NBC San Diego.
"A San Diego County resident and DACA recipientwho’s worked several jobs to pay his way through college achieved part of his dream Tuesday when he graduated from San Diego State University.Javier Diego Jacinto, 22 – proudly flying a Mexican flag – walked across the stage at Petco Park during SDSU’s commencement ceremony as his family cheered from the stands."
Got that? He payed his way through college by working his ass off on several jobs.
Then American Thinker adds, "Who teaches a kid like that to go wave the Mexican flag instead of the American one after graduating at taxpayer expense from a U.S. university?
A big fat lie. They expected their low-information readership to become outraged without actually even reading the article, and you all didn't disappoint!
He's worked at McDonalds for the past 3 years and 8 months. So basically he's worked there the entire time he's been in college. Not only that he worked several other jobs at the same time according to the NBC7 article referenced by American Thinker: "He worked as a janitor. He helped his dad with landscaping gigs and helped his mom clean houses."
Also from his linked in page, he's also worked at the following positions in school.
Chief Executive Officer Aspiring Teacher’s Club
Graduate Representative, Undocumented Resource Center Hiring Committee
College of Education Representative PIMHA of SDSU
Public Relations Officer Education Without Border (SDSU)
EOP Soar Mentor
Student Assistant San Diego State University URC
And what did he take his degree in? Bachelor of Education - BEdElementary Education and Teaching with a Focus in Literacy.
That kid ya'll call disgusting, a leech, and scum, and any number of other vile names for being proud of his heritage, puts his own self through college and wants nothing more than to be an elementary school teacher.
Yes, their taxes help someone become a productive citizen. Taxes at work.
Illegal aliens aren't citizens and they cost us over $100 billion a year vs the $19 billion that they contribute in taxes. We don't need illegal aliens for anything and we certainly shouldn't be rewarding them with our citizenship. Even if they are DACAs and brought here by their parents it is still allowing them to benefit from it and rewarding their parents for bringing them here illegally. They need to go back home along with their law breaking parents (family unseperated) and apply to come back legally.
Ah, so if they arrived on the correct visas and then overstayed and worked illegally you'd welcome them with open arms? That seems arbitrary.
Many, many times those of us who oppose illegal immigration have said we feel the same way whether or not someone got here by sneaking across the border or overstaying a visa. And, if you haven't noticed, the way we feel is that none of them have any business being here and need to leave.
He “assumed some are good people”. Implying that the majority are rapists and maybe. Just maybe some are good people...
No one who breaks laws and takes from others what doesn't belong to them is a good person. Is that news to you? No, there was no implication that the majority of illegals are rapists and murderers and you know it so stick your victim card back in your wallet.
And the fact clearly is that America CAN'T walk and chew gum at the same time, because in a number of QOL factors -- access to healthcare and other family friendly social policies, infrastructure, public transit , we rank behind almost every other advanced country.
Countries like Canada and Australia are, like the US, immigrant countries. In fact, a greater percentage of their populations see immigrants.
But they are more selective about who they allow in. They don't undermine their own citizens. Can't have a solid social safety net AND wide open borders. Choose one.
Why is this so hard for American liberals to grasp?
I don't agree with your premise. Our country has neither a solid safety net, nor wide open borders. We put a lot of effort in securing our borders. Canada and Australia don't need to worry about Mexicans crossing remote desert areas to enter their countries. Canada seems to be suffering from a similar rate of visa overstays as the USA. But I will say this: I much prefer Canada and Australia's systems to the extent that they value immigrants with skills, whereas the USA experiences much MUCH more chain migration. I wouldn't mind seeing that policy go away.
I don't believe Americans are undermined by our current system, and I don't believe Americans are undermined by offering amnesty, or something similar, to illegal immigrants here. I'm operating in reality, where it is a) too expensive to deport them all; b) we wouldn't want to anyway because their labor is important; and c) our economy, and thus all of us, relies on the labor of illegal immigrants.
I believe this is a tough issue that can't be fixed with a simple solution.
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