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View Poll Results: Should CRT be taught in our schools?
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Old 11-04-2021, 10:10 PM
 
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Among the methods of thought reform commonly used by cults are milieu control, mystical manipulation, the demand for purity, a cult of confession, sacred science, loading the language, doctrine over person, and dispensing of existence.
https://www.icsahome.com/articles/cu...n-csj-8-1-1991

Milieu Control -

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The most basic feature of the thought reform environment, the psychological current upon which all else depends, is the control of human communication. Through this milieu control the totalist environment seeks to establish domain over not only the individual's communication with the outside (all that he sees and hears, reads or writes, experiences, and expresses), but also - in its penetration of his inner life - over what we may speak of as his communication with himself.
The ultimate version of this would be something like The Metaverse...

Mystical Manipulation -

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The inevitable next step after milieu control is extensive personal manipulation. This manipulation assumes a no-holds-barred character, and uses every possible device at the milieu's command, no matter how bizarre or painful.
The current version of this would be something like a pandemic where they "saviors" control your ability to move around and to operate freely within a society.

The Demand for Purity -

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In the thought reform milieu, as in all situations of ideological totalism, the experiential world is sharply divided into the pure and the impure, into the absolutely good and the absolutely evil. The good and the pure are of course those ideas, feelings, and actions which are consistent with the totalist ideology and policy; anything else is apt to be relegated to the bad and the impure.
The current version of this would be "antiracism."

The Cult of Confession -

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Closely related to the demand for absolute purity is an obsession with personal confession. Confession is carried beyond its ordinary religious, legal, and therapeutic expressions to the point of becoming a cult in itself. There is the demand that one confess to crimes one has not committed, to sinfulness that is artificially induced, in the name of a cure that is arbitrarily imposed. Such demands are made possible not only by the ubiquitous human tendencies toward guilt and shame but also by the need to give expression to these tendencies. In totalist hands, confession becomes a means of exploiting, rather than offering solace for, these vulnerabilities.
The current version of this is DEI and all its different variants.

The "Sacred Science" -

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The totalist milieu maintains an aura of sacredness around its basic dogma, holding it out as an ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence. This sacredness is evident in the prohibition (whether or not explicit) against the questioning of basic assumptions... While thus transcending ordinary concerns of logic, however, the milieu at the same time makes an exaggerated claim of airtight logic, of absolute "scientific" precision. Thus the ultimate moral vision becomes an ultimate science; and the man who dares to criticize it, or to harbor even unspoken alternative ideas, becomes not only immoral and irreverent, but also "unscientific."
The current version of this can be seen in absolute censorship of any talk about alternative treatments for CV19 and any questioning of the ideology of CRT along with other places like what should be taught to children in schools.

Loading the Language -

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The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed... In [Chinese Communist] thought reform, "progress," "progressive," "liberation," "proletarian standpoints" and "the dialectic of history" fall into the former category; "capitalist," "imperialist," "exploiting classes," and "bourgeois" (mentality, liberalism, morality, superstition, greed) of course fall into the latter. Totalist language then, is repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon, prematurely abstract, highly categorical, relentlessly judging... The loading is much more extreme in ideological totalism, however, since the jargon expresses the claimed certitudes of the sacred science. Also involved is an underlying assumption that language - like all other human products - can be owned and operated by the Movement. No compunctions are felt about manipulating or loading it in any fashion; the only consideration is its usefulness to the cause.
The current version of this is labeling everyone who dissents "racist," "white supremacist," "anti-black," "transphobic," etc.

Doctrine Over Person -

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This sterile language reflects characteristic feature of ideological totalism: the subordination of human experience to the claims of doctrine... The inspiriting force of such myths cannot be denied; nor can one ignore their capacity for mischief. For when the myth becomes fused with the totalist sacred science, the resulting "logic" can be so compelling and coercive that it simply replaces the realities of individual experience. Consequently, past historical events are retrospectively altered, wholly rewritten, or ignored, to make them consistent with the doctrinal logic.
The current version of this is CRT and it's your new world view and will be taught to your children and grandchildren and everyone else you know and it will be spread as far and as wide as possible across the globe. The anglosphere will be where it will be weaponized the most but it will reach further and have further consequences.

The Dispensing of Existence -

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The totalist environment draws a sharp line between those whose right to existence can be recognized, and those who possess no such right.
The current version of this is cancel culture and has expanded to your right to exist in society if you're not willing to, say, get vaccinated (which has an ambiguous meaning that's constantly changing).

https://culteducation.com/brainwashi...lieu%20Control

Why are they doing this? Could it just be because of Donald Trump? No, that's silly. This is an ideology that had to have a subversive hegemony built up first before it could be weaponized. This as far as I can tell started with Hillary pushing the "reset" (as in Great Reset) button when Obama came in talking about fundamentally changing America. Through executive orders like EO13583, bureaucratic dictations like the 4/2011 "Dear Colleague Letter" and through Obama's military purge of just under 200 high ranking military officials throughout his years in office. DEI was even implemented in the PPACA. All legislation from this point forward should be suspect and heavily inspected for subversive measures including the Build Back Better plan that's currently being shoved through as fast as possible.

Why? IMO, Thirty-four percent of the World's population will be in Africa by the year 2100. Our IC have feared for a very long time that we would lose the war to China because it is also a totalitarian regime that can do what it wants when it wants and doesn't have to stop and ask the bureaucracy for permission.

https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

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Declassified transcript of the Beijing meeting between China's leader and America's. It took place in Chairman Mao's living quarters.
February 21, 1972

Chairman Mao: Do you have anything to say, Doctor?

Dr. Kissinger: Mr. Chairman, the world situation has also changed dramatically during that period. We’ve had to learn a great deal. We thought all socialist/communist states were the same phenomenon. We didn’t understand until the President came into office the different nature of revolution in China and the way revolution had developed in other socialist states.
https://china.usc.edu/mao-zedong-mee...bruary-21-1972

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Solzhenitsyn's Commencement Address
Harvard University
June 8, 1978

How short a time ago, relatively, the small world of modern Europe was easily seizing colonies all over the globe, not only without anticipating any real resistance, but usually with contempt for any possible values in the conquered peoples’ approach to life. It all seemed an overwhelming success, with no geographic limits. Western society expanded in a triumph of human independence and power. And all of a sudden the twentieth century brought the clear realization of this society’s fragility. We now see that the conquests proved to be short-lived and precarious (and this, in turn, points to defects in the Western view of the world which led to these conquests). Relations with the former colonial world now have switched to the opposite extreme and the Western world often exhibits an excess of obsequiousness, but it is difficult yet to estimate the size of the bill which former colonial countries will present to the West and it is difficult to predict whether the surrender not only of its last colonies, but of everything it owns, will be sufficient for the West to clear this account.
https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/a-world-split-apart

You should be preparing to cut back your lifestyle tremendously, probably something like 70-80% cutbacks over the next 2-3 decades. The managed decline will take place in a much shorter time period than if it had been carried out like it had originally been planned since the Nixon administration. The bureaucracy lost 25-30 years when Reagan won POTUS and they weren't about to let that happen again with Trump.

The Russiagate garbage is falling apart, and they have already crossed the Rubicon, so from here on out it's doubling, tripling, quadrupling, etc. down until the UN supersedes all states and a one-world government has been achieved.

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Since its creation in 2002, the Collegium has been working on the concept of interdependence of solidarity and responsibility and its application to global governance which cannot be conceived on the sole state model, but encompasses supra-state and trans-state, public actors (local authorities and organizations international) or private (transnational companies, TNCs), and civil society.
https://www.collegium-international....ndance?lang=en

The Business Roundtable came together and had (made) the largest TNCs sign a commitment to "stakeholder" capitalism (essentially China's model). The companies that signed on to that have an annual revenue of $8 trillion. You and everyone else in the developed world will be paying $150 trillion over the time it takes to create this "new world" so get used to things being a lot more expensive. Even with a 15% global corporate tax rate it will take, I don't know, a century or so? Maybe Mircea could chime in on that one or something.

Anyways, I think with all that is going on seeing things through this lense will make it all seem to, hopefully, make more sense. I hope this helps since our government is too incompetent to just make the case. I guess they think lying through their teeth every chance they get will somehow make people go along happily, maybe they're right. I tend to think it's going to cause an equal and opposite reaction but what do I know?

That is all.
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Old 11-05-2021, 12:01 AM
 
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That is all.
Yes. So what do you do about it? Worldwide, blacks will outnumber whites 10 to 1 in a hundred years. Most of the world lives in Asia. We have no choice but to integrate ourselves while we are still in a preeminent position. Time is against us.

It's over.
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Old 11-05-2021, 02:26 AM
 
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The NEA scrubbed this from their website after the backlash so they could continue to gaslight the entire country.

Make note of the date, 6/30/21:



https://web.archive.org/web/20210706.../2021-nbi-039/
So, they try to hide what they just published
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:27 AM
 
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So, they try to hide what they just published
A lot of different sources have been shouting this about the NEA.

The deniers just shut their eyes and plug their ears about CRT in schools.

Woke breaks everything.

VA started the bigger backlash - It's OK to say NO to woke.
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:34 AM
 
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Yes. So what do you do about it? Worldwide, blacks will outnumber whites 10 to 1 in a hundred years. Most of the world lives in Asia. We have no choice but to integrate ourselves while we are still in a preeminent position. Time is against us.

It's over.
Ah, so now we get to the bottom of the contrived reason people claim CRT is being taught in schools, fear of diversity. The demographics in these school districts are becoming more diverse and they dreamed up some phony reason to galvanize whites.

I am white but have no issue with the changing demographics, I don't live in fear of change while you want to stop the world in it's tracks and make it 1950 again.
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:41 AM
 
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Liberals love their theories born out of academia to test out in the real world. It always produces unintended consequences like raising cigarette taxes to save lives, and putting people in high density housing projects. Liberals are the poster-theys for unintended consequences and the answer is always more government.

As for CRT, it isn’t about Blacks, it is to help white liberals feel better about their own racism. White liberals love to use and exploit people of color. I see it all the time in the liberal enclave of NJ where our re-elected governor said that if you stand with his opponent, you stand with the kkk. Lots of hooded klansmen on horseback in the NJ metropolitan area? Nope, just want to hurt blacks to maintain his own power. Typical liberal.
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:54 AM
 
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Yes. So what do you do about it? Worldwide, blacks will outnumber whites 10 to 1 in a hundred years. Most of the world lives in Asia. We have no choice but to integrate ourselves while we are still in a preeminent position. Time is against us.

It's over.
I'm thinking a totalitarian slave state isn't the only choice, no?
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:56 AM
 
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So, they try to hide what they just published
They stepped out of line in the thought reform program. The first step is to keep the people being led through the program unaware of the program and what its ultimate goals are. Contradictions are also part of that program.

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Potential new members are led, step by step, through a behavioral-change program without being aware of the final agenda or full content of the group.

The goal may be to make them deployable agents for the leadership

The more complicated and filled with contradictions the new system in and the more difficult it is to learn, the more effective the conversion process will be.
https://www.icsahome.com/articles/six-conditions-singer

The NEA, teachers, Kendi, DiAngelo, Fauci, etc. are not in charge. They aren't the people giving orders ultimately. They play their part in the program and none of them will be removed.

We used this same program in Iraq. We use this same program in Iraq and that turned out amazing!

In fact military use is in the very definition on the APA website for coercive persuasion.

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2. broadly, a controlled program of social influence to bring about substantial changes in behavior and attitude in members of a group (e.g., military recruits, cult followers). [coined in 1961 by Swiss-born U.S. psychologist Edgar H. Schein (1928–  )]
https://dictionary.apa.org/coercive-persuasion

If I wasn't clear enough in my previous post what I'm trying to say is we are in another Cold War but this time is psychological/ideological and instead of us holding strong in our former positions we have decided to dialectically move toward the other world power's (China) position of state run capitalism. We gave it a different name though calling it "stakeholder capitalism."

It's fascism wrapped up in a pretty package.

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18. All warfare is based on deception.
The Internet Classics Archive | The Art of War by Sun Tzu

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"War is the continuation of politics." In this sense, war is politics and war itself is a political action; since ancient times there has never been a war that did not have a political character.... However, war has its own particular characteristics and in this sense, it cannot be equated with politics in general. "War is the continuation of politics by other . . . means." When politics develops to a certain stage beyond which it cannot proceed by the usual means, war breaks out to sweep the obstacles from the way.... When the obstacle is removed and our political aim attained the war will stop. Nevertheless, if the obstacle is not completely swept away, the war will have to continue until the aim is fully accomplished.... It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...-book/ch05.htm

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Old 11-05-2021, 08:04 AM
 
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I prefer the republican form of government, where all men are created equal (none higher in status) and have Creator endowed rights that governments are instituted to secure... and nothing more without consent of the governed.
Unfortunately, most Americans have unknowingly consented to the socialist democratic form of government, and have thus surrendered / waived their endowed rights for government privileges (civil and political "rights").
So "teaching" anything in a government controlled indoctrination center is going to be skewed by the needs of the collective.
But once enough people read law and decide to withdraw consent, and collapse the socialist regime, such nonsense like CRT will be dismissed, since there will be no possible benefit / entitlement system left to milk.
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:13 AM
 
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Ah, so now we get to the bottom of the contrived reason people claim CRT is being taught in schools, fear of diversity. The demographics in these school districts are becoming more diverse and they dreamed up some phony reason to galvanize whites.

I am white but have no issue with the changing demographics, I don't live in fear of change while you want to stop the world in it's tracks and make it 1950 again.
Diversity? Like the kind that we see in the Democrat controlled cities of Detroit, Baltimore, DC, Chicago, and now Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle, SF needle city. The only thing Democrats have proven is they have F'd up Predominately Black cities for years, and now you proven the you can screw up all cities. That is the Democrat Diversity model
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