Should Critical Race Theory be taught in our schools? (jobs, women, American)

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by janelle144

Illinois father speaks out after viral speech against critical race theory

Ty Smith, a father in Illinois and conservative YouTuber, says it will be up to action by parents to get critical race theory out of schools.

How will this fine father get something out of the schools that isn't present in the first place, does he have a detailed plan.

[janelle144]

Originally Posted by Goodnight

How will this fine father get something out of the schools that isn't present in the first place, does he have a detailed plan.

Did you even watch?

[BigJon3475]

Hegel's main philosophical aim was to interpret these contradictions and tensions as part of a comprehensive, evolving and ultimately rational unity, which he called "the absolute idea" or the Absolute Spirit.

Engels described Marx's materialist dialectic as standing Hegel's dialectic on its head--or rather lifting it off its head and setting it on its feet. According to Marx, his materialist approach rescued Hegel's dialectic from idealism in order to discover "the rational kernel within the mystical shell."

https://socialistworker.org/2015/07/...why-it-matters

As you can see Marx flipped Hegel’s idea of “the Spirit” to “materialism.” Marx changed the focus of the religious doctrine known as the dialectic from some abstract idea to to worshipping the dialectic as a means to unrest and how the world works. This is nothin more than worshipping the material world as opposed to the ethereal.

And this is how their religion works. It boils down to looking at systems, finding their opposities and causing them to conflict with each other to “progress” history to its final ends. All means justify that and any attempt to question it is met with puritanical dogma.

What constantly negating everything means is a constant revolution without any brakes. There’s another form of government that has been called a continual revolution, democracy, and everyone is involved then, not just the radical revolutionaries who are themselves as the antagonists of history.

Given this dogma the only conclusion is that what is at the end of their rainbow is another oppressive society that stifles the free will of people in the name of the collective. Your individuality is meaningless.

And so in CRT: An Introduction they go on to say:

Like an automobile with deferred maintenance, smaller subgroups that have until then remained silent begin bringing suppressed issues to the larger group’s attention. And so the dialectic progresses.

https://uniteyouthdublin.files.wordp...okfi-org-1.pdf

Surely everyone can see the manipulation here. The antagonists give themselves as many pronouns as they can come up with and then they present those ideas as valid arguments to create a dialog to talk about their oppression of their made up intersectionalized identity.

They made a Woke bomb factory.

[KyleMackey23]

Originally Posted by LS Jaun

Should Critical Race Theory be taught to our children?

No because it is a lie. Whites are not born evil racists and they oppress nobody. USA is the least racist country on Earth.

Median Household Income by detailed ancestry (2019 American Community Survey)[10]
Rank Group Income (US$)
1 Indian Americans 135,705
2 Taiwanese Americans 102,405
3 Australian Americans 100,856
4 Filipino Americans 100,273
5 South African Americans 98,212
6 Macedonian Americans 94,091
7 Indonesian Americans 93,501
8 Pakistani Americans 87,509
9 Iranian Americans 87,288
10 Lebanese Americans 87,099
11 Austrian Americans 86,499
12 Russian Americans 85,989
13 Lithuanian Americans 85,812
14 Chinese Americans 85,424
15 Japanese Americans 85,007
16 Turkish Americans 83,375
17 Swiss Americans 82,974
18 Slovene Americans 82,728
19 Italian Americans 82,106
20 Greek Americans 82,036
21 Israeli Americans 81,901
22 Romanian Americans 81,878
23 Ukrainian Americans 81,603
24 Serbian Americans 81,452
25 Croatian Americans 80,683
26 Slovak Americans 80,388
27 Swedish Americans 80,228
28 Czech Americans 80,142
29 Bulgarian Americans 80,626
30 Norwegian Americans 79,783
31 Scottish Americans 79,544
32 Polish Americans 79,503
33 Danish Americans 79,500
34 Portuguese Americans 79,050
35 Belgian Americans 78,355
36 English Americans 78,078
37 Welsh Americans 77,949
38 Hungarian Americans 77,611
39 Finnish Americans 77,356
40 Armenian Americans 77,110
41 Korean Americans 76,674
42 Canadian Americans 76,665
43 German Americans 76,036
44 French Canadian Americans 75,949
45 Irish Americans 75,583
46 Syrian Americans 74,047
47 Hmong Americans 73,373
48 Vietnamese Americans 72,161
49 Albanian Americans 72,043
50 Cambodian Americans 72,038
51 Spanish Americans 71,903
52 French Americans 71,407
53 Dutch Americans 70,872
54 Ghanaian Americans 69,021
55 Nigerian Americans 68,658
56 Bangladeshi Americans 67,944
57 Guyanese Americans 67,772
58 Egyptian Americans 67,187
59 Thai Americans 66,763
60 Laotian Americans 66,117
Median White American Household Income ($65,902)
61 West Indian Americans 65,258
62 Palestinian Americans 65,170
63 Samoan Americans 64,941
64 Barbadian Americans 64,588
65 Nepalese Americans 63,619
66 Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac Americans 63,301
Median American Household Income ($63,179)
67 Trinidadian and Tobagonian Americans 62,120
68 Jamaican Americans 62,044
69 Polynesian Americans 61,654
70 Micronesian Americans 61,309
71 American Americans 58,601
72 Haitian Americans 57,451
73 Cuban Americans 57,000[11]
74 Brazilian Americans 56,151
75 Argentine Americans 55,000
76 Cajun Americans 52,886
77 Moroccan Americans 52,436
78 Peruvian Americans 52,000
79 Jordanian Americans 51,552
80 Pennsylvania Dutch 48,955
81 Ecuadorian Americans 48,600
82 Colombian Americans 48,000
83 Cape Verdean Americans 47,281
84 Burmese Americans 45,903
85 Afghan Americans 46,838
86 African Americans 43,862
87 Bahamian Americans 42,000
88 Appalachian Americans 38,593
89 Mexican Americans 38,000
90 Puerto Rican Americans 36,000
91 Iraqi Americans 32,818
92 Dominican Americans 32,300

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...usehold_income

[BigJon3475]

In 1921 Lenin famously said “let the peasants starve” when it was thought that they were hampering the war effort.

Russian academics have previously researched and catalogued examples of cannibalism and corpse eating and in one account described how a woman refused to give over her husband’s dead body because she was using it for meat.

The starving peasants were even seen digging up recently buried corpses to retrieve their flesh, as well as eating grass and animals that were previously considered pets.

The police took no action as cannabalism was considered a legitimate method of survival.

Eventually aid workers from America and Europe arrived and in 1921 one wrote a stomach churning account of what they’d seen: ‘Families were killing and devouring fathers, grandfathers and children.

‘Ghastly rumours about sausages prepared with human corpses though officially contradicted, were common. In the market, among rough huckstresses swearing at each other, one heard threats to make sausages of a person.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ved-death.html

There are actually things worse than the slavery carried out in America and it just so happened to be in the heart of their revolution (which no doubt is probably cancelled - ends justify means).

Of course, like Nazi Germany, they were in dire economic times before the Great Famine but the ideology just made it worse. It left them with no intellectual capital with which to fight the famine and anyone who spoke out against The Party and its agenda were enslaved, murdered, tortured, starved.

Then Stalin thought what a great idea. Then Mao thought what a great idea. The Pol Pot thought what a great idea.

Now the “Woke” have a great idea… Again…

[BigJon3475]

Outrageous White Women Tears!

https://youtu.be/5-azCYOBFsw

[Spartacus713]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

https://socialistworker.org/2015/07/...why-it-matters

As you can see Marx flipped Hegel’s idea of “the Spirit” to “materialism.” Marx changed the focus of the religious doctrine known as the dialectic from some abstract idea to to worshipping the dialectic as a means to unrest and how the world works. This is nothin more than worshipping the material world as opposed to the ethereal.

And this is how their religion works. It boils down to looking at systems, finding their opposities and causing them to conflict with each other to “progress” history to its final ends. All means justify that and any attempt to question it is met with puritanical dogma.

What constantly negating everything means is a constant revolution without any brakes. There’s another form of government that has been called a continual revolution, democracy, and everyone is involved then, not just the radical revolutionaries who are themselves as the antagonists of history.

Given this dogma the only conclusion is that what is at the end of their rainbow is another oppressive society that stifles the free will of people in the name of the collective. Your individuality is meaningless.

And so in CRT: An Introduction they go on to say:


https://uniteyouthdublin.files.wordp...okfi-org-1.pdf

Surely everyone can see the manipulation here. The antagonists give themselves as many pronouns as they can come up with and then they present those ideas as valid arguments to create a dialog to talk about their oppression of their made up intersectionalized identity.

They made a Woke bomb factory.

I have read a number of the articles that you have posted, including most of the one by Marcuse on Repressive Tolerance. Thank you for posting those by the way.

So one of the most interesting themes of this whole cabal, in my view, is their fixation on the need to conduct some sort of mass exorcism of "The false consciousness" that we are all possessed by, in their view of the world. What I was hoping to see more discussion of is what they imagine this will be replaced with, "The true consciousness," for lack of a better name.

They go on and on about their desire to tear down, eliminate and destroy elements of culture and the human psyche, but what is their positive vision for building it back up again, at least in theory? Have you seen any discussion of that sort that you could possibly share a link to?

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by Spartacus713

I have read a number of the articles that you have posted, including most of the one by Marcuse on Repressive Tolerance. Thank you for posting those by the way.

So one of the most interesting themes of this whole cabal, in my view, is their fixation on the need to conduct some sort of mass exorcism of "The false consciousness" that we are all possessed by, in their view of the world. What I was hoping to see more discussion of is what they imagine this will be replaced with, "The true consciousness," for lack of a better name.

They go on and on about their desire to tear down, eliminate and destroy elements of culture and the human psyche, but what is their positive vision for building it back up again, at least in theory? Have you seen any discussion of that sort that you could possibly share a link to?

That’s just it. They think we will get positive results from constant negation.

Marx explains it best here. You can also see the chaotic current environment we’re in because of this constant negation:

How does reason manage to affirm itself, to pose itself in a definite category? That is the business of reason itself and of its apologists.

But once it has managed to pose itself as a thesis, this thesis, this thought, opposed to itself, splits up into two contradictory thoughts – the positive and the negative, the yes and no. The struggle between these two antagonistic elements comprised in the antithesis constitutes the dialectical movement. The yes becoming no, the no becoming yes, the yes becoming both yes and no, the no becoming both no and yes, the contraries balance, neutralize, paralyze each other. The fusion of these two contradictory thoughts constitutes a new thought, which is the synthesis of them. This thought splits up once again into two contradictory thoughts, which in turn fuse into a new synthesis. Of this travail is born a group of thoughts. This group of thoughts follows the same dialectic movement as the simple category, and has a contradictory group as antithesis. Of these two groups of thoughts is born a new group of thoughts, which is the antithesis of them.

Just as from the dialectic movement of the simple categories is born the group, so from the dialectic movement of the groups is born the series, and from the dialectic movement of the series is born the entire system.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...hy/ch02.htm#s7

So now it should be obvious why the left will contradict itself at any time to further it’s cause in something like “defund the police.” They tried to offer an antithesis to policing and reality (murders, thefts, rapes) smacked them in their smug faces and they had to do an about face. They were trying to negate policing into something positive with dire consequences. This is to be repeated over and over and over until the perfect system emerges. IOWs do the opposite because that’s your antithesis to Tradition and what emerges from that negation will be a better system.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So to be generous though, and this is why it’s “problematic” (snickers) is that there is some truth to that method. It actually looks a lot like the scientific method. It uses the idea that we all see around us but don’t really completely understand and that’s okay because in evolutionary neuroscience, it appears the more of reality, down to the level of physical systems that we see, the less likely our survival. Don Hoffman has some good articles and videos on evolutionary theory and neuroscience. But the truth is everything is in waves. All matter vibrates and an ebb and flow of nature occurs without any human involvement at all. The wolf pack grows and consumes too much of its food sources and the pack dies out leaving the strongest and alive. Then the opposite occurs and their food supply flourishes and then the pack starts to grow again. Cue Sarah Palin and rabid lefties complaining about wolves being shot by helicopters.

So the dialectic looks natural. Marx gives students the ability to stop looking at categories so rigidly and to try and look at them as systems that make up everything that also evolve over time. This is why it’s so disingenuous when people so “you know communism and socialism are two different t things don’t you!” When they say that if they have a clue about Marx they know that is Marx prediction of the progress of society. He also says the contradictions will take care of that. To the student it feels like they just learned something spectacular. I learned that in a different way as I studied HVAC/R and other things like high fidelity stereo systems and internal combustion engines.

So in steps the religious Marxist, not sure what Marx would say if he could see them now. They think they have a way to speed up the dialectical process. They can usher in the end of history and politics, conflict and domination. Destroy all categories and what will emerge is a more fair and equal society. That’s true! There’s nothing more equal and fair than a society of starving slaves. Except true equilibrium, of course, which is what happens when you die. There’s no room for the individual in this never ending revolution that only 10% will be carrying out.

The way I see it is that communism will probably come true. I’d imagine it much further out but technology is growing quickly. That technology will probably do something like replace government. In physics and other disciplines it’s called the singularity. If those conditions are not in place though, and the worse off the conditions are when the “revolution” happens, the more famine, death, destruction and an overall entropic decay of the loss of historical and scientific knowledge as society consumes itself (like in the burning of books, statues, buildings, etc), the information no longer makes sense because now it is ashes. We’re obviously in no place for a singular utopia.

So it’s easy and complicated at the same time. A dialectic. Lol.

How Life (and Death) Spring From Disorder

According to thermodynamics, the capacity to extract useful work from the energy resources of the universe is always diminishing. Pockets of energy are declining, concentrations of heat are being smoothed away. In every physical process, some energy is inevitably dissipated as useless heat, lost among the random motions of molecules. This randomness is equated with the thermodynamic quantity called entropy—a measurement of disorder—which is always increasing. That is the second law of thermodynamics. Eventually all the universe will be reduced to a uniform, boring jumble: a state of equilibrium, wherein entropy is maximized and nothing meaningful will ever happen again.

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/life-d...ring-disorder/

Do we really see reality as it is?
https://youtu.be/oYp5XuGYqqY

What is an individual?
https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-...eory-20200716/

How to Rewrite the Laws of Physics in the Language of Impossibility
https://www.quantamagazine.org/with-...ible-20210429/

[vkhmini]

Originally Posted by janelle144

Did you even watch?

They are all singing "La-la-la-la-la-" with their fingers in their ears. If they don't hear it, it doesn't exist.

[Spartacus713]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

That’s just it. They think we will get positive results from constant negation.

Marx explains it best here. You can also see the chaotic current environment we’re in because of this constant negation:


https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...hy/ch02.htm#s7

So now it should be obvious why the left will contradict itself at any time to further it’s cause in something like “defund the police.” They tried to offer an antithesis to policing and reality (murders, thefts, rapes) smacked them in their smug faces and they had to do an about face. They were trying to negate policing into something positive with dire consequences. This is to be repeated over and over and over until the perfect system emerges. IOWs do the opposite because that’s your antithesis to Tradition and what emerges from that negation will be a better system.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So to be generous though, and this is why it’s “problematic” (snickers) is that there is some truth to that method. It actually looks a lot like the scientific method. It uses the idea that we all see around us but don’t really completely understand and that’s okay because in evolutionary neuroscience, it appears the more of reality, down to the level of physical systems that we see, the less likely our survival. Don Hoffman has some good articles and videos on evolutionary theory and neuroscience. But the truth is everything is in waves. All matter vibrates and an ebb and flow of nature occurs without any human involvement at all. The wolf pack grows and consumes too much of its food sources and the pack dies out leaving the strongest and alive. Then the opposite occurs and their food supply flourishes and then the pack starts to grow again. Cue Sarah Palin and rabid lefties complaining about wolves being shot by helicopters.

So the dialectic looks natural. Marx gives students the ability to stop looking at categories so rigidly and to try and look at them as systems that make up everything that also evolve over time. This is why it’s so disingenuous when people so “you know communism and socialism are two different t things don’t you!” When they say that if they have a clue about Marx they know that is Marx prediction of the progress of society. He also says the contradictions will take care of that. To the student it feels like they just learned something spectacular. I learned that in a different way as I studied HVAC/R and other things like high fidelity stereo systems and internal combustion engines.

So in steps the religious Marxist, not sure what Marx would say if he could see them now. They think they have a way to speed up the dialectical process. They can usher in the end of history and politics, conflict and domination. Destroy all categories and what will emerge is a more fair and equal society. That’s true! There’s nothing more equal and fair than a society of starving slaves. Except true equilibrium, of course, which is what happens when you die. There’s no room for the individual in this never ending revolution that only 10% will be carrying out.

The way I see it is that communism will probably come true. I’d imagine it much further out but technology is growing quickly. That technology will probably do something like replace government. In physics and other disciplines it’s called the singularity. If those conditions are not in place though, and the worse off the conditions are when the “revolution” happens, the more famine, death, destruction and an overall entropic decay of the loss of historical and scientific knowledge as society consumes itself (like in the burning of books, statues, buildings, etc), the information no longer makes sense because now it is ashes. We’re obviously in no place for a singular utopia.

So it’s easy and complicated at the same time. A dialectic. Lol.




https://www.wired.com/2017/02/life-d...ring-disorder/

Do we really see reality as it is?
https://youtu.be/oYp5XuGYqqY

What is an individual?
https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-...eory-20200716/

It has recently gotten to the point that when I see the word "dialectic," I now just substitute the word "bull****," as that is what the word effectively means. The pseudo-intellectual, rhetorical circle-jerk does not impress me as much as it apparently impresses them. Their colossal arrogance is matched by their lack of self-awareness.

This paragraph by Marx that you quoted above, is borderline lunatic stuff:

'The struggle between these two antagonistic elements comprised in the antithesis constitutes the dialectical movement. The yes becoming no, the no becoming yes, the yes becoming both yes and no, the no becoming both no and yes, the contraries balance, neutralize, paralyze each other. The fusion of these two contradictory thoughts constitutes a new thought, which is the synthesis of them. This thought splits up once again into two contradictory thoughts, which in turn fuse into a new synthesis. Of this travail is born a group of thoughts. This group of thoughts follows the same dialectic movement as the simple category, and has a contradictory group as antithesis. Of these two groups of thoughts is born a new group of thoughts, which is the antithesis of them.'

I get it that in the circles of people who traffic in this sort of self-absorbed bull**** rhetoric, the production this kind of pseudo-intellectual double-speak is highly prized and among the highest forms of virtue signaling. But someone does not need to be a philosophical genius to see that in fact, it is just a bunch of bull****.

Our world tends towards entropy. Systems tend to decay without intervention over time, because it takes so much work to maintain them. It is not helpful to have these sorts of nihilistic borderline lunatics scheming to destroy everything, just for the sake of destruction, because one of their leaders hypothesizes that by destroying the status quo, something better is sure to eventually pop out of that.

So, let's just blow it all up. Cool. And Utopia will present itself. You may not like this sort of simplistic, base talk, but that is just plain stupid.

Going back to my previous question. I am still not seeing any sort of identifiable, somewhat specific "True consciousness" being anticipated by these people. They are insistent that the goal is: (my words) to exorcise the masses of the "false consciousness". That goal sounds maniacal, to put it mildly. But their goal is to replace it with what? The paragraph from Marx you quoted above is interesting, and perhaps that is as close as they get to actually answering this question. If that is right, then they have no answer, and this whole project is diabolical in the extreme.