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Old 05-30-2021, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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Originally Posted by katharsis View Post
People form their opinions from their parents, their teachers, their peers, by reading and listening to various media, AND from their own experiences.

If the majority of this information (true or not) puts a certain group of people in a good light, then they will probably form a good opinion of that group. If the majority of this information (true or not) about a certain group is bad, then they will probably form a bad opinion of that group.

Personally, I believe that I form my opinions mostly by reading and observing. I have learned not to take anyone's opinion for fact unless their opinion is based on fact which I can verify for myself. (And I do not consider anything to be fact unless at least 98% of experts have gone on record as saying that something IS a fact, or there is undisputed data as proof.)
How could you possibly know when 98% of "experts" have spoken? Who determines certain individuals to be experts and others not to be experts?

 
Old 05-30-2021, 06:42 PM
 
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This is a lie, more White people are victimized by White people than by Black people. Why are you peddling lies here?

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-li...me-intraracial
So what.

From the same link you provided:

“...violent crime by black offenders is apparently predominantly interracial, with 55.2 percent of the black offenders choosing white victims. Black offenders chose white victims in 63.9 percent of robberies, 51.8 percent of assaults, and 58.6 percent of rapes. In contrast, white offenders chose black victims in 8.3 percent of robberies, 2.7 percent of assaults, and 5.5 percent of rapes.”
 
Old 05-30-2021, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Futuremauian View Post
How could you possibly know when 98% of "experts" have spoken? Who determines certain individuals to be experts and others not to be experts?
FYI, what I personally consider to be experts are those with an advanced degree in the field in which they are expert. And by 98%, I mean out of the articles I have actually read about the subject. OR if there is a consensus of opinion by these experts, and I have not found ANY article by any other expert (using my criteria) that disagrees.
 
Old 05-30-2021, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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This is a lie, more White people are victimized by White people than by Black people. Why are you peddling lies here?

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-li...me-intraracial
From the article you cited:

"violent crime by black offenders is apparently predominantly interracial, with 55.2 percent of the black offenders choosing white victims".


Also: "Black offenders chose white victims in 63.9 percent of robberies, 51.8 percent of assaults, and 58.6 percent of rapes".

Edit: Oops, Leona Valley beat me to the truth.
 
Old 05-30-2021, 06:49 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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So what.

From the same link you provided:

“...violent crime by black offenders is apparently predominantly interracial, with 55.2 percent of the black offenders choosing white victims. Black offenders chose white victims in 63.9 percent of robberies, 51.8 percent of assaults, and 58.6 percent of rapes. In contrast, white offenders chose black victims in 8.3 percent of robberies, 2.7 percent of assaults, and 5.5 percent of rapes.”
Also from my link

“Although violent crime by white offenders is apparently strongly intraracial, in that 96.9 percent of the white offenders chose white victims”

This goes against the post I was countering, black people victimize more Black people than White people and White people victimize more White people than Black people. If you have any evidence to the contrary, I’d love to see it.
 
Old 05-30-2021, 06:50 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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Originally Posted by Futuremauian View Post
From the article you cited:

"violent crime by black offenders is apparently predominantly interracial, with 55.2 percent of the black offenders choosing white victims".


Also: "Black offenders chose white victims in 63.9 percent of robberies, 51.8 percent of assaults, and 58.6 percent of rapes".

Edit: Oops, Leona Valley beat me to the truth.
See follow up post, thanks.
 
Old 05-30-2021, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I've found the exact opposite to be true. You don't go to jail and come out less racist. My nephew made me laugh because he said going to college was making him racist. He went to Georgia State in Atlanta, and told me that it was apparent that the intellectual level of the blacks in college was significantly below that of whites to the point that he didn't think the vast majority of them should even be there.

I was basically an anti-racist for most of my life. I became racist when I became interested in science, evolution, psychology, and human-nature. When you read about racial/genetic differences, everything you noticed in school and in life but never gave much thought to, is all explained.

But keep in mind, racism is not antipathy. I don't hate my cat, even though I recognize that he is in fact a cat.
Did your nephew actually hang out with black people? Or just stereotype and judge them from afar? Sounds like the latter.

Also, prisons are segregated and people live and work with their own races. That's not the personal experience I'm referring to.
 
Old 05-30-2021, 06:58 PM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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I think culture has more to do with experiences with other races. I grew up in a fairly affluent area in Ga. We had a graduating class of about 900. There were 3 black people. One was the Valedictorian and earned it. Very smart, pretty, well spoken, on cheerleading team, plus debate team. Took all of the AP classes and was on the honor roll. She was far from the gangbanger stereotype.
But in middle school, i went to a school in fl, where it was 50% black. They regularly harassed and started fights, usually 6 against 1. Would bring bicycle chains to school and combs with the pointed end, to fight with. Totally different environment. It seems like if there are large groups of black people, they go down to the lowest common denominator of their culture. But when in an upscale environment, and there are fewer, they can succeed just like everyone else. The black inner city culture seems to glorify gangs, thugs, violence. Even a single mom that wants to raise her kids well is fighting an uphill battle, because the pressure to join a gang, adopt violence is sometimes almost required to survive. But if you took that family out of there when the kids were young (7 or less), I think most would do as well as any other race.
So I guess I would say, it is less about race, and more about class, location.
 
Old 05-30-2021, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I think this is true only if your experience is very limited and superficial. When a person goes to live abroad in a foreign culture the "Wow, we have so much in common!" period normally lasts about a month. But after that they begin notice all the ways the people in their new home are actually different from themselves, and culture shock sets in.
Again, not in my experience. If you go to another country and live among people who still look and think like you do--which many people do--then I don't expect much enlightenment. Note, even in my experience, I don't claim that things are universally this way. Just generally. There have been exceptions.
 
Old 05-30-2021, 07:08 PM
 
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Did your nephew actually hang out with black people? Or just stereotype and judge them from afar? Sounds like the latter.

Also, prisons are segregated and people live and work with their own races. That's not the personal experience I'm referring to.
Any person who hangs out with me won't be getting a stereotype. I've been told on a few occasions "dude, you're the whitest Black person I've ever seen". And I'm not referring to skin tone.

One thing about prison, I'm glad I'm not there. All the more reason to obey the law. Prison is indeed segregated and alot of politics go into it.
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