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Old 06-04-2021, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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Originally Posted by mountainrose View Post
Sorry, but Democrats do glorify thug culture.
Look at the audiences, the awards and the glorifying of rap and hip hop.
Look at the huge amount of and enthusiasm for black thug/gang movies/series all written and produced by liberal democrat Hollywooders.
When blacks were robbing all those stores during the riots, one democrat politician came out and said they deserved to be robbing those stores.
Look how democrats bend over backwards minimizing, defending, lying about black crime statistics.
and tell us we are RACIST!!! if we criticize black thug culture.
Etc etc etc
Whoa....So, are we going to ignore the fact that it was Trump who brought Kanye West to the White House to discuss matters, pardoned Lil Wayne and Kodak Black(who's back in jail as I type), fought hard to bring ASAP Rocky out of a jail in Sweden over a brawl, and had Lil Pump show up to his campaign rally, etc. Also, McCain brought Daddy Yankee out for an endorsement in Arizona and Bush Sr. invited Eazy E who's literally a gangster rapper to the White House way back in the day.

Hip Hop is basically an American staple at this point. I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing but it just is. There's definitely bad/negative rap but there's no proof that the support is driven by the Far Left. As a matter of fact, it was the Far Left that pushed for YG's album to get pulled and banned from streaming services because of a controversial song talking about a robbery.

I'll say Republicans in general are more likely to openly point out inner city violence than Democrats but I'd say Democrats are more complacent towards it rather than outright glorifying it. A lot of Democrats are involved in local programs in cities to curb violence and lack of education but the prominent ones would rather blame so-called "systemic racism" for these issues instead of the perpetrators.

 
Old 06-04-2021, 09:26 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Enough_Already View Post
Every day white people hear about black on black violence on the news in every major city. How much does this contribute to racist views?


Racial hatred and white supremacy existed long before modern media remember the confederacy fought war for the right treat black humans as livestock, the right to rape black women and children, brutalize humans and sale black children away from their parents never to be seen again? Imagine being a parent your child is taken away from you and your child will be subject to starvation,beatings ,maiming, rape ,sodomy murder and you will never see them again

The poster wants to ignore the brutal oppression and terrorism of the Jim Crow south in response to blacks peacefully advocating for equal rights as guaranteed by the constitution. Let me remind you



The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing was a white supremacist terrorist bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, on Sunday, September 15, 1963
Resulting in the death of 4 children. This is simply an atrocity committed to stop African Americans from having the same rights as other citizens

May 3rd 1963 police used high pressure fire hoses and police dogs on peaceful children marching non violently to protest segregation and lack of voter rights

March 7, 1965, armed police attacked the unarmed peaceful civil rights demonstrators attempting to march to the state capital of Montgomery in an incident that became known as Bloody Sunday. Nonviolent peaceful protesters advocating for voting rights were beaten by police

The murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner, also known as the Mississippi Burning murders, refers to three activists who were abducted and murdered in Neshoba County, Mississippi, in June 1964 during efforts to register blacks to vote. Goodman and schwerner were shot. Chaney was also beaten and castrated before his death.

These atrocities galvanized the nation and led to passage of the civil and voting rights bills
Most white Americans believe all men are created equal and any one born an American can grow up to be President. This is reflected in American electing a 2 term African American president and African American Vice President

The hatred of some continues even now with Dylan Roof killing 9 black Christians in Charleston who invited Dylan into their church to worship in Christian fellowship.

Last week the Coleman Thomas Blevins, 28, was arrested by the fbi after an alleged plot to carry out a mass shooting at a Walmart.

No black person did anything to these people to make them get a copy of the turner diaries and an AR-15 and start slaughtering people

Last edited by ssmaster; 06-04-2021 at 10:51 PM..
 
Old 06-04-2021, 09:47 PM
 
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With all due respect, I'm not seeing the correlation here, especially since your comment was in response to Greenmariner and not me.

If anything, you're agreeing with what I'm saying: That Blacks who don't conform to negative stereotypes won't deal with much stigmas or racism but defending Black people as a whole can be a chore.
Some people I've put on "ignore" because it's no longer worth having discussions with said persons.

I will agree that not conforming to the stereotype will lessen up hostility. I don't conform to any stereotypes. At the same time, I'm also not naive that I won't run into some people who are just bigots regardless.

What I was talking about earlier had to do with the news, and what gets featured on the news, and how that affects race relations.
 
Old 06-04-2021, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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Some people I've put on "ignore" because it's no longer worth having discussions with said persons.

I will agree that not conforming to the stereotype will lessen up hostility. I don't conform to any stereotypes. At the same time, I'm also not naive that I won't run into some people who are just bigots regardless.

What I was talking about earlier had to do with the news, and what gets featured on the news, and how that affects race relations.
It's actually very hilarious because Hedonism was the one who interjected in our conversation in the 1st place and made a comment to me about what I said to you.

Now, he's turning around saying "Leave me alone" when we weren't even paying attention to him at the time lol. I guess spending a lot of time on CD will do that to you. *shrugs*

And I can see how the media's obsession with talking about race can affect race relations to an extent but I think these issues were already present. For instance, I can disagree with the media shoving LGBTQ acceptance everywhere but it never made me stop talking to and hanging out with my gay/lesbian friends and relatives.

Something already had to be built in from inception for the media to "trigger" that in you. In other words, if someone already had dicey relations with or perceptions of Black people or some other group, the media focusing on Black crime and what have you will trigger what was already in them.

But a White person with a lot of Black friends, associates, and/or in-laws isn't suddenly going to hate Blacks as a whole because of that negative element so to speak.
 
Old 06-05-2021, 05:12 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default balance grasshoppa!

Prejudice which gives rise to racism is an innate defense mechanism.

Prejudice is goo, like fire and water if kept in balance it is very useful and can be existential. When out of balance, it causes harm.

The left only deals in absolutes, far ends of the spectrum, never sees any degrees of an issue, that is the problem....along with media carrying water for the socialists trying to divide the country by race.

Philosophically and academic theory demands one on one interface necessary for judgement, which is still subjective.

Instant communications, endless news cycle and propagandist media controls the culture and sets trends. Used to be they reported on it, now they control it. they make issues look larger or smaller to fit their political narratives dictated by the socialist wing of the government.

The media always held the power of the supreme court, in that it could go where law could not. Perfect example is when a politician does something embarrassing but not illegal, the media always bought about pressure forcing a resignation.

The sword the media wields is powerful and can be devastating or curative.

We now live in fear of the media's sword and have seen clear examples of the media gone rogue and turend from a free press to a pure propaganda machine.

It is naieve to think only face to face experience validates one's impression of a given race as the interface with an individual or small community is not representative of all that demographic. So you walk away with an impression that is very subjective and negates the rule that you must have experience to make judgment.

If purity were required before help can be given, no help would be given.

Don't have to know it hurts and can kill you to be run over by a speeding cement truck in order to speak with some authority on that subject.

It is all about the media acting as the socialist enforcer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! w/o that intentionally divisive intervention, the crisis would simmer down to a tolerable and gentle heat.
 
Old 06-06-2021, 04:01 PM
 
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It's actually very hilarious because Hedonism was the one who interjected in our conversation in the 1st place and made a comment to me about what I said to you.

Now, he's turning around saying ”Leave me alone” when we weren't even paying attention to him at the time lol. I guess spending a lot of time on CD will do that to you. *shrugs*

And I can see how the media's obsession with talking about race can affect race relations to an extent but I think these issues were already present. For instance, I can disagree with the media shoving LGBTQ acceptance everywhere but it never made me stop talking to and hanging out with my gay/lesbian friends and relatives.

Something already had to be built in from inception for the media to ”trigger” that in you. In other words, if someone already had dicey relations with or perceptions of Black people or some other group, the media focusing on Black crime and what have you will trigger what was already in them.

But a White person with a lot of Black friends, associates, and/or in-laws isn't suddenly going to hate Blacks as a whole because of that negative element so to speak.
It's more sad than hilarious. I see more belligerence than anything else. Saying ”leave me alone” is a sign that a nerve got touched.

The media doesn't help. On the other hand, we have individuals talking about ”the national media needs to talk about Black crime”. We have people blaming the media for bad race relations. At the same time, we have people saying ”the media needs to talk about Black crime more”. I don't think this is going to help race relations. Truth is, race relations have always been in the trash. The era we live in, this is actually among the better times for race relations. Imagine how much worse it was in the 1960s and prior.

I already know Black people, particularly Black men, have to deal with the perceptions of being violent, unintelligent, and lazy. We have plenty of stories taking place on the 5 o'clock news regarding Black men committing violent crime. It isn't named ”Black crime”, but the mugshots and sound bites from the evening local news tell the story.

I agree with you that some people likely already had a prejudice against Black before such news. What I'm considering is that there are many people who don't see Black people from day to day. People who have Black friends and get along with them well, they aren't going to suddenly become prejudice because of what's on the news. People who are already prejudice, the news will just serve to confirm what they think.

As for talking about Black crime nationally, I think about this. Some people happen to live in places where there are very few Black people. In many cases, it's just happenstance. In other cases, some people live where they think Black people won't move to. If we were to really push the image of Black men as dangerous and ”to be avoided” on a national scale, well, it could get ugly.

I watched a video by Xanatos Clutch. He is a Black male youtuber living in the Bay Area. He mentioned that in the Bay Area, Black people basically have a bad reputation. In one of his videos, he mentioned that if Black men wanted to truly find acceptance, one factor to consider are places where Black men don't frequently appear on the evening news for reasons such as crime. According to him, it would be easier because while some people might have their suspicions, it would be easier to prove ”hey, I'm not what the stereotype says”. When someone mentioned ”we need to talk about Black crime on a national level”, I thought about some of Xanatos Clutch's videos. He has talked about Black men bettering themselves, going where they can get true acceptance. He's not a fan of the woke left.

I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about Black crime. I'm saying it could get alot harder to carry out said advice if every corner of America you go to, your reputation is something you have to fight.

I also consider this. Many people who would come to the conversation would bring nothing but anger, hatred, and resentment. Some people would see it as an opportunity to vent any anti-Black resentment they have. It wouldn't solve any problems. It would just get worse.
 
Old 06-06-2021, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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I have to agree. Racism is a social construct.

The prosperity of Jewish Americans, Asian Americans, and African immigrants has shown us that racism in America is vastly overblown.

America is literally the only developed country who had a black head of state.

Racism is not even CLOSE to a social construct.

You can watch children in kindergarten favor some children while shunning other children, over the most superficial of differences.

Racism is as natural as can be. People naturally seek others who are similar and shun others who are different. That can be language, skin color, eye color, height, whatever. If you get enough people together, the majority will ALWAYS descriminate against the minority. Racism is natural. It is in no way a social construct. Not even close to it.

The ability to mitigate racism is a social construct, if your culture is morally lofty enough to achieve that, because you socially have to overcome a natural tendancy to discriminate.
 
Old 06-06-2021, 04:29 PM
 
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Racism is not even CLOSE to a social construct.

You can watch children in kindergarten favor some children while shunning other children, over the most superficial of differences.

Racism is as natural as can be. People naturally seek others who are similar and shun others who are different. That can be language, skin color, eye color, height, whatever. If you get enough people together, the majority will ALWAYS descriminate against the minority. Racism is natural. It is in no way a social construct. Not even close to it.

The ability to mitigate racism is a social construct, if your culture is morally lofty enough to achieve that, because you socially have to overcome a natural tendancy to discriminate.
Racism has never been natural to me. I never shunned anyone for racial reasons. I have not been one of those "stick with your own kind" sort of people. To me, being a racist is wrong, period. I view this from a moral perspective.
 
Old 06-06-2021, 04:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ssmaster View Post
Racial hatred and white supremacy existed long before modern media remember the confederacy fought war for the right treat black humans as livestock, the right to rape black women and children, brutalize humans and sale black children away from their parents never to be seen again? Imagine being a parent your child is taken away from you and your child will be subject to starvation,beatings ,maiming, rape ,sodomy murder and you will never see them again

The poster wants to ignore the brutal oppression and terrorism of the Jim Crow south in response to blacks peacefully advocating for equal rights as guaranteed by the constitution. Let me remind you



The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing was a white supremacist terrorist bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, on Sunday, September 15, 1963
Resulting in the death of 4 children. This is simply an atrocity committed to stop African Americans from having the same rights as other citizens

May 3rd 1963 police used high pressure fire hoses and police dogs on peaceful children marching non violently to protest segregation and lack of voter rights

March 7, 1965, armed police attacked the unarmed peaceful civil rights demonstrators attempting to march to the state capital of Montgomery in an incident that became known as Bloody Sunday. Nonviolent peaceful protesters advocating for voting rights were beaten by police

The murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner, also known as the Mississippi Burning murders, refers to three activists who were abducted and murdered in Neshoba County, Mississippi, in June 1964 during efforts to register blacks to vote. Goodman and schwerner were shot. Chaney was also beaten and castrated before his death.

These atrocities galvanized the nation and led to passage of the civil and voting rights bills
Most white Americans believe all men are created equal and any one born an American can grow up to be President. This is reflected in American electing a 2 term African American president and African American Vice President

The hatred of some continues even now with Dylan Roof killing 9 black Christians in Charleston who invited Dylan into their church to worship in Christian fellowship.

Last week the Coleman Thomas Blevins, 28, was arrested by the fbi after an alleged plot to carry out a mass shooting at a Walmart.

No black person did anything to these people to make them get a copy of the turner diaries and an AR-15 and start slaughtering people
Bigotry of all kinds has been around long before modern media. All modern media has done is talk about what's already there. Hate, bigotry, racism, it's been around forever.
 
Old 06-06-2021, 04:37 PM
 
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Prejudice which gives rise to racism is an innate defense mechanism.

Prejudice is goo, like fire and water if kept in balance it is very useful and can be existential. When out of balance, it causes harm.

The left only deals in absolutes, far ends of the spectrum, never sees any degrees of an issue, that is the problem....along with media carrying water for the socialists trying to divide the country by race.

Philosophically and academic theory demands one on one interface necessary for judgement, which is still subjective.

Instant communications, endless news cycle and propagandist media controls the culture and sets trends. Used to be they reported on it, now they control it. they make issues look larger or smaller to fit their political narratives dictated by the socialist wing of the government.

The media always held the power of the supreme court, in that it could go where law could not. Perfect example is when a politician does something embarrassing but not illegal, the media always bought about pressure forcing a resignation.

The sword the media wields is powerful and can be devastating or curative.

We now live in fear of the media's sword and have seen clear examples of the media gone rogue and turend from a free press to a pure propaganda machine.

It is naieve to think only face to face experience validates one's impression of a given race as the interface with an individual or small community is not representative of all that demographic. So you walk away with an impression that is very subjective and negates the rule that you must have experience to make judgment.

If purity were required before help can be given, no help would be given.

Don't have to know it hurts and can kill you to be run over by a speeding cement truck in order to speak with some authority on that subject.

It is all about the media acting as the socialist enforcer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! w/o that intentionally divisive intervention, the crisis would simmer down to a tolerable and gentle heat.
I have a different view. How about not be prejudice in the first place. How about not be a racist in the first place.

I deal in absolutes for a reason. I know what it's like to have people not like you simply because of your race. I know what it's like when someone decides to target you and treat you like trash because of your race. While I never grew up in Jim Crow times (I was born in the 1980s), there have been some individuals who were quite prejudice, quite racist, and decided to take their anger out on others, including me.

This is the thing about the media. The modern media is why we know about certain incidents in the first place. The media doesn't help matters much. At the same time, many bigoted people were like that before modern media.
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