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Old 05-31-2021, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by V8 Vega View Post
Yes with mail ballots, no updated voter rolls, unmonitored ballot boxes, no ID verification, same day registration, lengthy vote days, Republicans don't stand a chance.
Especially when our own supreme court will not take up cases which show without any doubt, that many states violated their own election laws and US election laws. If states can conduct national elections and illegally count votes and distribute ballots illegally, and the SCOTUS refuses to step in, the nation is lost.
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Old 05-31-2021, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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This isn't even worth debunking at this point. Why haven't you changed your name yet?



Politics is just the way we get what we want. Don't assume for a moment that those who claim they want to help people would ever lift a finger for anyone else.



And who backs the mainstream media? Who is the real enemy?



Define conservative.



To be fair, the party that freed the slaves was a protectionist/nationalist/populist/corporatist party, who emancipated the slaves for purely selfish reasons. Trump was much closer to Abraham Lincoln than Abraham Lincoln was to Ronald Reagan or George Bush.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43336529
To answer my part- 1- been on CD since ‘07 long before Trump. And 2- my name was given by my deceased son with our very first computer in the early 90’s has nothing to do with politics. 3-to make my point - someone trying to “control” my own login name. Yep.
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Old 05-31-2021, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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To answer my part- 1- been on CD since ‘07 long before Trump. And 2- my name was given by my deceased son with our very first computer in the early 90’s has nothing to do with politics. 3-to make my point - someone trying to “control” my own login name. Yep.
I appreciate the clarification. I guess I should have noticed your join date. With that said, I don't recall seeing your name on this forum until after Donald Trump ran for office. And since then, I've seen you express the most vitriolic hatred and derangement for Trump of nearly anyone on this forum. Which is why I assumed your name was intended to be a mockery.

The only person worse than you is that guy who spelled it "tRump".
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Old 05-31-2021, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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I agree with many on this post that we, conservatives, have already lost the whole of the country. It’s over, and there is nothing we can do about it. 1950’s USA is never coming back. A unified USA where everyone loves the country, and is proud of it, is never coming back.

So what can we do? We retreat into certain areas and draw a line in the sand, and defend it with our lives. If we don’t do that, we won’t even have safe zones. It will basically be Baltimore everywhere.
I don't think many African Americans loved this country in the 1950s...nor did many LGBT people...only White Straight men did.
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Old 06-01-2021, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Look at the 1860 Republican national platform. Its fundamental principles follow those outlined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution...
1) State sovereignty
2) Denouncing the threats of disunion
3) The rights to citizenship and encouragement of American industry
1) Are you high? Seriously, you must be baked af.

2) The Declaration of Independence was about denouncing the threats of disunion? Rofl.

3) As I said before, the Republican Party was a protectionist, nationalist, and corporatist party. Its policies were designed to support and subsidize the growth of American industry. I'm confused what that has to do with the Declaration of Independence. Do you think Thomas Jefferson would have approved of Abraham Lincoln? Or John Adams, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, or even George Washington?
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Old 06-01-2021, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Northeast
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Because today's liberal views are tomorrow's conservative ones.
Highlighted for emphasis because I feel people downplay this a lot.
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Old 06-01-2021, 04:32 AM
 
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I am currently reading a book about the modernization of rural France from 1870 to WWI.

Prior to around 1870, rural France was a real backwater - very poor, few roads going to and from the villages, railroads were late getting there, most people worked on farms, most houses were tiny things with 1 room and thatched roofs and people frequently slept with their farm animals, and most people didn't even speak French (as late as the 1860's, only about 40% of the population of France actually spoke French, there were some 20 or so local languages and dialects throughout the country). And so on. People in the rural areas of France even considered Parisians and other urbanites to be foreign.

The France we read about in the history books was largely about the doings of the urbanites and elite (the latter of whom themselves were overwhelmingly urban). But they were actually a minority of the population.

Starting around 1870, various events coalesced to start bringing urban ideas, urban culture, urban tastes and urban wealth to the rural areas. Rural-urban migration increased with the coming of the railroads to rural areas. Increases in military conscription in rural areas brought military enlistees in contact with urban lifestyles and culture, since the military in France back then was run by the urban elite who they tended to train in and around urban centers. They also helped educate the rural enlistees in the French language. All of that the soldiers brought back to their villages when their tour of duty was over. And they also brought all kinds of other ideas (socialism, etc) they learned in the urban areas as well. The migrant workers did this as well.

By the time WWI was over, rural France was well on its way to being "urbanized" and French-ized. Rural people wanted to talk, think and act like your typical Parisian.

That is, the urbanites won.

With the stark contrast between modern US politics being democrats-urban and republicans-rural, I'm reading this book remarking at how many similarities there are in the US now compared to latter-19th Century France. Kids from rural Missouri are going to college in Kansas City or St Louis or Columbia or some other big city or college town in the Midwest, and guess what? When they do that they pick up urban ideas and urban culture. Repeat the pattern all over the US.

So yes, conservatives are going to lose. If the current ideological/political divide in the US wasn't so starkly urban liberal/rural conservative, it would be much more difficult for me to conclude that. But since that divide is there, and since it is so stark, it is easy for me to conclude that.

History shows that when urban ideas and culture do battle with rural ideas and culture, the urban side always wins. Always.
When I read this account I think of southern Appalachia.

Wall street was unwilling to invest in the region, so the US government stepped in. Think 'rural electrification'. Think levees, dams, military bases, roads, national parks.

There is a reason that region is so dependent upon the US government, even today, because on it's own it was ill favored by geography and backward. It is still squarely in the middle of the stroke belt and some of those counties have the poorest funded school districts in the country ... some things never change.

Today those people are resentful of the US government, and resentful of the people in the urban areas far from them who paid the taxes for generations that lifted them up out of their mess. Those states are still takers, receiving more Federal dollars than they contribute. So they arrogantly rail on about 'leftists' and such. Perfect example of biting the hand ...
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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1) Are you high? Seriously, you must be baked af.

2) The Declaration of Independence was about denouncing the threats of disunion? Rofl.

3) As I said before, the Republican Party was a protectionist, nationalist, and corporatist party. Its policies were designed to support and subsidize the growth of American industry. I'm confused what that has to do with the Declaration of Independence. Do you think Thomas Jefferson would have approved of Abraham Lincoln? Or John Adams, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, or even George Washington?
What I posted was taken directly from the original document from the Republican Party 1860 national platform. You’re free to read it for yourself if you’d like…

https://www.loc.gov/resource/lprbscsm.scsm0716/
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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True enough, but if we legislate and enforce towards the "greater good", we inevitable wade into controversy. For some, the greater good is the salvation of their souls. Thus burning heretics is not only a service to the souls in question, but an advancement of the greater good. More to our time, for some, the loss of lives to coronavirus - any life - is unacceptable. So, no restrictions are too onerous or too costly, if they save so much as one life.
I agree. Which is why I said in closing, "How then do you protect yourself from society?"

Whatever you think about what legislation ought to exist, you must first recognize that the very existence of any government at all is "for the greater good". It isn't as if libertarian capitalism is the social and political base, after which all other things are added. Libertarianism capitalism is itself only brought about by government force.

Thus if you believe that you live in a "society", then you've already accepted the doctrine that laws should exist for the greater good. The only question then is, what kind of society do you want to live in? Do you want one where prostitutes and drug-dealers walk the streets around your house? Where people walk around naked having sex? Polygamy, gambling, open-borders. Are there any restrictions which aren't an abridgment of "personal freedom" according to the libertarian dogma?

Regardless of all the howling and screeching about freedom and liberty, no one actually wants to live in that world. So what kind of world do people actually want to live in? What makes us happy?
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:02 AM
 
Location: USA
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I’ll reiterate.

The conservatives won. The liberals lost. Capitalism is the ruling paradigm everywhere on Planet Earth except North Korea and a few other backwaters.

Conservatives should not be such sore winners.
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