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Old 06-01-2021, 11:44 PM
 
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Yet that’s exactly what you will do when I point out that slavery was thousands of years old, older than the three major religions today and “white…”

How are we going to heal and move forward when black and brown people won’t admit that they started slavery? Slavery was created before there even was a white person. I get that it might be hard to accept. I understand that it’s hard to look back in your (well not yours but your ancestor’s) past and then learn that you need to be the one to make amends for them. It’s unfortunate that black and brown people created such a horrible institution that was finally abolished by white people’s enlightenment principals. Science, reason, logic, merit. It’s been ugly but we have mostly cast off the horrible legacy that black and brown people left with us. We inherited it but we will work through it.

What, you don’t like the historically accurate facts being used to try and pigeonhole you into accepting something you shouldn’t be held responsible for?
Excellent post.
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:45 PM
 
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Black Wall Street is not embellished.

You have to know Tulsa's history. Tulsa was a tiny town in the Creek Nation in 1905 when oil was found in the Glenn Pool south of the city. It was the largest oil field found in the world at the time.

In 1900 Tulsa had 1300 people as a mostly white rail stop in Creek territory. By 1910 the city was 18,000 people. By 1920 right before the massacre the population was 72,000. In 1930 Tulsa's population was 141,000 with more millionaires per capita than any other city on Earth. Tulsa was then known as the Oil Capitol of the World. Dubai, before Dubai.

Tulsa was awash in money in 1921 and much of it flowed into Greenwood. Black Wall Street was 100% real. Poor white Tulsans that didn't share in the money rush were very jealous at the time. Rich white Tulsa's took advantage.
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:48 PM
 
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who actually believe that white people have been victimized more often in our history by black people, .
Black-on-white violent crime (rape, robbery, assault and murder) is off the Richter scale. We're talking about probably MILLIONS of such attacks - most of them HATE CRIMES - since 1865 in America.


And white-on-black violent crime? Well it is a tiny, miniscule fraction.
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:15 AM
 
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Now all of a sudden the destruction of Black Wall Street is a myth when there are survivors alive today. Typical.
The facts:

Escalating racial tensions led to a riot in Tulsa in 1921. A crowd of whites showed up outside the jail where a black man being held, accused of assaulting a white girl. A large group of blacks came to the scene, some of them armed. 12 were shot dead - 10 white and 2 black. Whites retaliated by burning the Greenwood District, the black part of town. In all, 36 people were confirmed to have died, about two thirds of them black. A 2001 commission raised that number to 39. There are higher estimates, up to 300 dead, but no solid evidence for them. About $30 million (in 2021 dollars) property damage was done.


The new myth now being created by American media:

- There was a completely unprovoked massacre of blacks in Tulsa.

- Whites "attacked and killed" the Greenwood district. (A NBC News report I saw actually said this, leaving the impression that most or all of the 10,000 people there were murdered.

- Greenwood was very wealthy in 1921 and would be similar to black Atlanta today if not for what happened 100 years ago.

- White violence in incidents like The "Tulsa Race Massacre" is a major reason why black people in 2021 have less money than non-blacks on average.
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Old 06-02-2021, 01:07 AM
 
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The facts:

Escalating racial tensions led to a riot in Tulsa in 1921. A crowd of whites showed up outside the jail where a black man being held, accused of assaulting a white girl. A large group of blacks came to the scene, some of them armed. 12 were shot dead - 10 white and 2 black. Whites retaliated by burning the Greenwood District, the black part of town. In all, 36 people were confirmed to have died, about two thirds of them black. A 2001 commission raised that number to 39. There are higher estimates, up to 300 dead, but no solid evidence for them. About $30 million (in 2021 dollars) property damage was done.


The new myth now being created by American media:

- There was a completely unprovoked massacre of blacks in Tulsa.

- Whites "attacked and killed" the Greenwood district. (A NBC News report I saw actually said this, leaving the impression that most or all of the 10,000 people there were murdered.

- Greenwood was very wealthy in 1921 and would be similar to black Atlanta today if not for what happened 100 years ago.

- White violence in incidents like The "Tulsa Race Massacre" is a major reason why black people in 2021 have less money than non-blacks on average.
And you continue to lie...
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Old 06-02-2021, 03:51 AM
 
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The facts:

Escalating racial tensions led to a riot in Tulsa in 1921. A crowd of whites showed up outside the jail where a black man being held, accused of assaulting a white girl. A large group of blacks came to the scene, some of them armed. 12 were shot dead - 10 white and 2 black. Whites retaliated by burning the Greenwood District, the black part of town. In all, 36 people were confirmed to have died, about two thirds of them black. A 2001 commission raised that number to 39. There are higher estimates, up to 300 dead, but no solid evidence for them. About $30 million (in 2021 dollars) property damage was done.


The new myth now being created by American media:

- There was a completely unprovoked massacre of blacks in Tulsa.

- Whites "attacked and killed" the Greenwood district. (A NBC News report I saw actually said this, leaving the impression that most or all of the 10,000 people there were murdered.

- Greenwood was very wealthy in 1921 and would be similar to black Atlanta today if not for what happened 100 years ago.

- White violence in incidents like The "Tulsa Race Massacre" is a major reason why black people in 2021 have less money than non-blacks on average.
Why do you keep confusing people with facts?
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Old 06-02-2021, 03:56 AM
 
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The white girl refused to press charges so the attempted lynching was baseless....
The girl's refusal to press charges is meaningless. A white girl who had been assaulted by a black man would have been considered "damaged goods" and would have been basically shunned by white society.

And whether or not there was an attempted lynching vs an attempted jail break was and is a disputed point.
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Old 06-02-2021, 05:44 AM
 
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I know, right? But seems like some want to pick and choose the history that suits them, or the way they want it to be written.
History here is largely being written by the apologists, an attempt to defend the indefensible.
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Old 06-02-2021, 06:03 AM
 
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You obviously didn't watch the documentary...a blackman was accused of a crime...the papers called for his lynching, whites tried to get into the courthouse to lynch him and blacks showed up to try and protect him...they never tried to break him out.

The news media trying to foster racial tensions & violence?
I guess not much has changed.
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Old 06-02-2021, 06:10 AM
 
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History here is largely being written by the apologists, an attempt to defend the indefensible.
It really comes down to what history one wishes to focus on.

Democrats & liberal minded folks prefer to focus on all of the negative aspects of U.S. history, anything which makes America look bad. They constantly dwell upon slavery or past racism (Jim Crow), or the fact that women had less rights a long time ago. They're basically living in the past, their minds stuck on past negative historical deeds that were committed by a tiny percentage of people.

I would prefer that the focus of American history be mostly directed on the positive aspects, which far outweigh the negative (in my opinion), and will inspire people toward a wholesome future progress.

If all we focus on are the negative aspects of our history, then our future won't be very bright as a nation.
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