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No, any movement that seeks to give away OPM until the lower earners are “equal” to the higher-achieving earners discounts any contributions (or lack thereof) of the people involved. What about hard work, discipline, being on time, sticking to a schedule, getting some job training, finishing high school, not having babies OOW, etc?
If you just hand money over to people to “equalize” them, you’ve disincentivized people from putting in the effort to better themselves.
Agree with everything you said, but unfortunately, it ignores more than it got right.
EQUITY also refers to people having EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, which is direct contrast to what OP is saying. OP thinks (and you fail to acknowledge if you agree or not) that if two people of differing background have the same opportunity to reap the benefits of hard work, sticking to a schedule and all that, that it is communism. That is false.
I do agree with your comment Rachel, but it has to be in the context that hard work, discipline and all that is what it takes, and if we ever get to a place where everything else (opportunity, for example) is equal, then that will be great.
As it stands now, many people are at an inherent disadvantage. Maybe because they were born into a bad situation, or because they didn't have some of the opportunities other more fortunate people had, their hard work and discipline may not have the same results, or it may take more of those characteristics to get the same results. While that IS life, and people need to play the cards they are dealt, it is not Equity, nor is it communism.
I am all for "play the cards you are dealt", and not for handing out OPM. But we must acknowledge that everyone does not have equal opportunity in this world. It just "IS", and we'll do better recognizing it. Those that have it should appreciate it more, those that don't will need to work even harder, and everyone else needs to quit making assumptions about other people's lot in life, because they really have no clue.
Agree with everything you said, but unfortunately, it ignores more than it got right.
EQUITY also refers to people having EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, which is direct contrast to what OP is saying. OP thinks (and you fail to acknowledge if you agree or not) that if two people of differing background have the same opportunity to reap the benefits of hard work, sticking to a schedule and all that, that it is communism. That is false.
I do agree with your comment Rachel, but it has to be in the context that hard work, discipline and all that is what it takes, and if we ever get to a place where everything else (opportunity, for example) is equal, then that will be great.
As it stands now, many people are at an inherent disadvantage. Maybe because they were born into a bad situation, or because they didn't have some of the opportunities other more fortunate people had, their hard work and discipline may not have the same results, or it may take more of those characteristics to get the same results. While that IS life, and people need to play the cards they are dealt, it is not Equity, nor is it communism.
I am all for "play the cards you are dealt", and not for handing out OPM. But we must acknowledge that everyone does not have equal opportunity in this world. It just "IS", and we'll do better recognizing it. Those that have it should appreciate it more, those that don't will need to work even harder, and everyone else needs to quit making assumptions about other people's lot in life, because they really have no clue.
Again, Asian students disproves your narrative. Asian immigrants are among the poorest in the country, yet succeed the highest. Opportunity exists and we should offer resources to all, but the person has to make with it what they will. Individual agency is supreme
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Very easy to be misled, but once you've understood this everything is clear. What we all need to fight for is equality, which is equality of opportunity, which means everyone gets a fair shot to make of their lives what they can through their individual agency/effort/responsibility.
"Equity" is a completely different concept and means equality of outcome, which is the communist philosophy of Utopianism. They believe flattening the end result is the only way, even if it means destroying merit and bringing down people who have earned their success down to the lowest common denominator
We should all know by how how communism ends, this latest generation apparently has no clue
Equally miserable....
Welcome to being someone else's property.
Agree with everything you said, but unfortunately, it ignores more than it got right.
EQUITY also refers to people having EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, which is direct contrast to what OP is saying. OP thinks (and you fail to acknowledge if you agree or not) that if two people of differing background have the same opportunity to reap the benefits of hard work, sticking to a schedule and all that, that it is communism. That is false.
I do agree with your comment Rachel, but it has to be in the context that hard work, discipline and all that is what it takes, and if we ever get to a place where everything else (opportunity, for example) is equal, then that will be great.
As it stands now, many people are at an inherent disadvantage. Maybe because they were born into a bad situation, or because they didn't have some of the opportunities other more fortunate people had, their hard work and discipline may not have the same results, or it may take more of those characteristics to get the same results. While that IS life, and people need to play the cards they are dealt, it is not Equity, nor is it communism.
I am all for "play the cards you are dealt", and not for handing out OPM. But we must acknowledge that everyone does not have equal opportunity in this world. It just "IS", and we'll do better recognizing it. Those that have it should appreciate it more, those that don't will need to work even harder, and everyone else needs to quit making assumptions about other people's lot in life, because they really have no clue.
I’ve said here before that I favor dropping race-based affirmative action (which is racist) and replacing it with a different system whereby the top 5% of students in all high schools (so students from poor schools compete against their own cohort), with a HH income of less than $100k, get an automatic admission and tuition paid to the state university. That would enable (and reward) hard-working, motivated, academically superior kids from poorer backgrounds get an opportunity to achieve affluence.
I certainly appreciate what I have. But I also know that both my parents (and their siblings) ALL graduated from college, even though they were from poor families where none of their parents even finished high school. They did so by being the top, or near top, of their class - and getting admission/tuition to great colleges.
I did not grow up in a household that had money. My parents barely made ends meet and eventually our house was foreclosed on, our cars repossessed, etc. As a teen there was no money for college and I worked multiple jobs just to make ends meet and after doing this a few years I realized I couldnt live life like that. I looked at my options and decided the military was the best route. It changed my life around and gave me not only real world experience but also a 100% free college education. I have a great job now with co workers that have degrees from well known expensive colleges and much different backgrounds than me. We all had the same opportunities, just different ways of getting there. Blaming others for your misfortune is a step in the wrong direction. Opportunity exists for anyone that wants to pursue it and I feel the more that people are told there isnt equal opportunity, the more they believe it, just give up and then become a "victim" of society. Stop talking about it, treat everyone equally, and people will succeed regardless of their backgrounds.
Very easy to be misled, but once you've understood this everything is clear. What we all need to fight for is equality, which is equality of opportunity, which means everyone gets a fair shot to make of their lives what they can through their individual agency/effort/responsibility.
"Equity" is a completely different concept and means equality of outcome, which is the communist philosophy of Utopianism. They believe flattening the end result is the only way, even if it means destroying merit and bringing down people who have earned their success down to the lowest common denominator
We should all know by how how communism ends, this latest generation apparently has no clue
This is why I believe Social Security should be eliminated, its communist. Why should I pay tax dollars to provide "Equity" in retirement to someone who did not prepare or save for retirement.
Who here is with me!!!!
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