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Old 06-02-2021, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Denver
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You forget....the Arabs were paid lots more than their land was worth! That little detail is always skimmed over.
This is the first I've heard of this. Would you be willing to share a link to educate me?

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The arrangement to pay the Arabs more than their homes were worth, and then divide into two states, was a good compromise. The problem was then, as it is now, the Arabs were too antisemitic to entertain the idea. If they had gone along with it then, or at other times an offer was made, they would have their own state.
Has Israel ever stopped incursion into Palestinian lands long enough for any offers to be taken seriously? It's like watching the US history with Native Americans play out in real time. Every time a line was drawn, it was inevitably violated by people who wanted to ethnically cleanse the land.

Also, I've always wondered, is antisemitic only reserved for Jews, or is disliking other Semitic peoples also antisemitism?
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:32 PM
 
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This is the first I've heard of this. Would you be willing to share a link to educate me?


Has Israel ever stopped incursion into Palestinian lands long enough for any offers to be taken seriously? It's like watching the US history with Native Americans play out in real time. Every time a line was drawn, it was inevitably violated by people who wanted to ethnically cleanse the land.

Also, I've always wondered, is antisemitic only reserved for Jews, or is disliking other Semitic peoples also antisemitism?
Ethnic cleansing? You do know the Israeli Army is comprised of Arabs, Bedouins, Ethiopians right?
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:36 PM
 
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Ethnic cleansing? You do know the Israeli Army is comprised of Arabs, Bedouins, Ethiopians right?
Israel's explicit purpose as laid out in the Basic Laws is to be a state with a clear Jewish majority. Right now, Israel is just under 80% Jewish. If Israel were to incorporate Gaza and the West Bank, Jews would barely be the majority, which is unacceptable for Israel's stated purpose. Expansion of Israeli settlement and control necessarily means ethnic cleansing of lands.
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:37 PM
 
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Israel's explicit purpose as laid out in the Basic Laws is to be a state with a clear Jewish majority. Right now, Israel is just under 80% Jewish. If Israel were to incorporate Gaza and the West Bank, Jews would barely be the majority, which is unacceptable for Israel's stated purpose. Expansion of Israeli settlement and control necessarily means ethnic cleansing of lands.
You are 100% wrong.
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:56 PM
 
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You are 100% wrong.
Can you be more specific? Israel's explicit self-declaration is to be a Jewish state. Its declaration of independence says so. This purpose has been enshrined in several of its Basic Laws, laws of constitutional nature that require a supermajority to pass and overturn.
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Old 06-02-2021, 12:58 PM
 
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Can you be more specific? Israel's explicit self-declaration is to be a Jewish state. Its declaration of independence says so. This purpose has been enshrined in several of its Basic Laws, laws of constitutional nature that require a supermajority to pass and overturn.
Yes, Israel is a Jewish state, but that doesn't mean they believe in ethnic cleansing. They have a higher moral compass than their Arab neighbors.
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Old 06-02-2021, 01:07 PM
 
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Yes, Israel is a Jewish state, but that doesn't mean they believe in ethnic cleansing. They have a higher moral compass than their Arab neighbors.
When the State of Israel expands settlement into the West Bank, it is encroaching into a populated land and displacing people. This land is not populated by Jewish people. Displacing one ethnicity and replacing it with another is pretty much the definition of ethnic cleansing. The expansion of the State of Israel into the West Bank betrays your claim.
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Old 06-02-2021, 01:12 PM
 
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When the State of Israel expands settlement into the West Bank, it is encroaching into a populated land and displacing people. This land is not populated by Jewish people. Displacing one ethnicity and replacing it with another is pretty much the definition of ethnic cleansing. The expansion of the State of Israel into the West Bank betrays your claim.
Actually, it means the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society, none of which they are doing, so nice try.
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Old 06-02-2021, 01:14 PM
 
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Actually, it means the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society, none of which they are doing, so nice try.
Mass expulsion, exactly.
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Old 06-02-2021, 01:41 PM
 
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This is the first I've heard of this. Would you be willing to share a link to educate me?
Yes, I’m happy to share a link. There’s no doubt that much of the animus toward Israel comes from ignorance of the facts - which in turn is spewed via anti-Jew Arab propaganda. The link that follows is quite detailed, so allow me to summarize some of the key points:

1) Israel was carved out in the locations where there were heavy populations of Jews already there, so as to displace as few “Palestinians” as possible.

2) The Jews themselves specifically asked to find land where there were relatively few Palestinians.

3) Israel paid Palestinians, most of whom were poor peasants, between $1000 and $1100 an acre for arid, non-farmable land. By comparison, soil-rich land in Iowa was selling for $110 an acre. IOW, Israel paid 10x the market value for the Palestinian land, and that land was not as valuable to start with.

4) It is true that Israel extended its territory by capturing land when it defeated enemy Arab countries attacked it unprovoked. Even so, Israel was always ready to exchange land for peace, but the Arabs refused the requirement thst they acknowledge Israel’s right to exist.

At the same time, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Arab countries stole Jewish land, property, and assets in Muslim countries - and 800,000 Jews were displaced. The descendants of these Jews, displaced by Arabs, now live primarily in Israel. Yet nobody ever says “Arabs stole a Jewish land!”

Is it true that Israel stole Palestinian land?
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