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I'm not going through all the pages and while I agree we need an overhaul people here are as ignorant as young folks who think Medicare is free. The majority of countries with Universal Healthcare offer basic services only and residents have to buy supplemental plans for more serious problems. Not unlike having to purchase a supplemental D and G plan for my husband as Medicare only covers 80%.
Excellent observation as Canadian health care only covers 70% of health care costs. The other 30% is paid for by private health insurance or out of Canadians' own pockets.
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As far as Obamacare - due to my husband retiring - I had to use NY Marketplace to get a plan for myself and it isn't cheap and all we'll be living on is SS and a small IRA disbursement each month. The plan I got was $500 a month and has deductibles of $6250 with a similar OOP. Being many in America have $10,000 or less in savings - if they had a serious illness or accident - it could very well wipe out their savings. So as far as I'm concerned the ACA is crap and Universal Health Care would mean increased taxes and I'd still have to buy supplemental plans to be covered for more serious issues.
So you're admitting you can't do the simple math of dividing the number of people in each country who traveled abroad to access health care by that country's total population. Got it.
Canadians travel abroad to seek health care at a 36% higher rate than do Americans.
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Originally Posted by BruSan
Admitting no such thing.
GIGO.
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Originally Posted by ATX Wahine
Why not? There are official links verifying that statistic upthread. IC is not lying.
BruSan can't handle the truth that Canadian health care isn't as great as the seemingly brainwashed Canadian contingent believe it to be. Too many statistics prove otherwise, for example...
2/3 of Canadians have private health insurance
Canadian health care covers only 70% of Canadians' health care costs, not all of it
Canadians travel abroad to seek health care at a 36% higher rate than do Americans
BruSan can't handle the truth that Canadian health care isn't as great as the seemingly brainwashed Canadian contingent believe it to be. Too many statistics prove otherwise, for example...
2/3 of Canadians have private health insurance
Canadian health care covers only 70% of Canadians' health care costs, not all of it
Canadians travel abroad to seek health care at a 36% higher rate than do Americans
Already went over this before when you first posted the figure at being 38% . Somebody immediately corrected you bogus math, eh?
You garnered the nonsense from a secondstreet.org new conservative think tank PAID to do a poll whereby they claimed to use StatisticsCanada stats without referencing the particular Stat they used for their 217,000 "assumptions".
There is no StatsCan stat on the "numbers" of Canadians travelling out of Country "specifically" for reasons of obtaining any healthcare.
The only Statistics Canada tally is of the total amounts spent garnered from Rev. Can, totals of receipts filed for tax deductions. They then used an "assumed" average to "calculate" 217,500 from which you initially derived your 38% figure to later reduce it to the now prevalent 36%:
Now there are a couple of other things you should consider about this claim you keep throwing out there as though it's written in stone on a tablet given to Moses. EVEN the rabid conservative "think tank" Fraser Institute (also receiving funding from the Koch Brothers) for the very same period of time, estimated the numbers of Canadians travelling out of country to obtain healthcare at a paltry 63,000 by comparison.
Care to address the rather huge disparity of numbers when both conservative think tanks have utilized the same database of $691 M spent and provincial specialist 'guesstimating' how many of their patients might have received healthcare, for whatever reason, while out of country ?
Accepting of one "assumption" would require you to consider another, if both use the same resource to "estimate" a number, sooo - - - The current population of Canada is 38,056,808 as of Tuesday, June 15, 2021 ergo: 63,000 of 38,000,000 = 0.1657894736842105%
.16% Canadians travelling for healthcare versus .4% Americans travelling for healthcare = Ooopsy
Regardless of the accuracy of source material, that figure of 36% more Canadians than Americans leaving their country to obtain healthcare is bogus.
***On Edit*** I am in error - should have used Canadian population figure for 2017 at just over 36,000,000 which would yield a higher percentage figure of .175 rather than the aforementioned .165-- - - - my bad.
Already went over this before when you first posted the figure at being 38% . Somebody immediately corrected you bogus math, eh?
No, I've always posted 36%. Here's my first post stating the rate difference:
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Let's do the math...
Percent that travels out of country to access health care:
Canada: 217,500 of 38 million, or 0.57%
US: 1.4 million of 330 million, or 0.42%
Hmmm... More Canadians than Americans seek health care elsewhere (out of their own country) by a 36% higher rate.
It's clear that you're either incapable of reading posts and info correctly, or you're just making stuff up in your panicked state of defending a seriously flawed two-tiered Canadian health care system (70% paid by Canada, 30% paid by private health insurance or out of Canadians' own pockets).
Furthermore, the data source for the 217,500 Canadians that traveled abroad to access health care is from Statistics Canada, the Canadian government's national statistical agency, and did not include Canadians from Saskatchewan, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, and Prince Edward Island in the total. So the total could be even more than 217,500.
Already went over this before when you first posted the figure at being 38% . Somebody immediately corrected you bogus math, eh?
You garnered the nonsense from a secondstreet.org new conservative think tank PAID to do a poll whereby they claimed to use StatisticsCanada stats without referencing the particular Stat they used for their 217,000 "assumptions".
There is no StatsCan stat on the "numbers" of Canadians travelling out of Country "specifically" for reasons of obtaining any healthcare.
The only Statistics Canada tally is of the total amounts spent garnered from Rev. Can, totals of receipts filed for tax deductions. They then used an "assumed" average to "calculate" 217,500 from which you initially derived your 38% figure to later reduce it to the now prevalent 36%:
Now there are a couple of other things you should consider about this claim you keep throwing out there as though it's written in stone on a tablet given to Moses. EVEN the rabid conservative "think tank" Fraser Institute (also receiving funding from the Koch Brothers) for the very same period of time, estimated the numbers of Canadians travelling out of country to obtain healthcare at a paltry 63,000 by comparison.
Care to address the rather huge disparity of numbers when both conservative think tanks have utilized the same database of $691 M spent and provincial specialist 'guesstimating' how many of their patients might have received healthcare, for whatever reason, while out of country ?
Accepting of one "assumption" would require you to consider another, if both use the same resource to "estimate" a number, sooo - - - The current population of Canada is 38,056,808 as of Tuesday, June 15, 2021 ergo: 63,000 of 38,000,000 = 0.1657894736842105%
.16% Canadians travelling for healthcare versus .4% Americans travelling for healthcare = Ooopsy
Regardless of the accuracy of source material, that figure of 36% more Canadians than Americans leaving their country to obtain healthcare is bogus.
***On Edit*** I am in error - should have used Canadian population figure for 2017 at just over 36,000,000 which would yield a higher percentage figure of .175 rather than the aforementioned .165-- - - - my bad.
Give it a rest. If it's warm enough there yet, go outside and get some sunshine. Or wait don't tell me you're already in Florida?
Already went over this before when you first posted the figure at being 38% . Somebody immediately corrected you bogus math, eh?
You garnered the nonsense from a secondstreet.org new conservative think tank PAID to do a poll whereby they claimed to use StatisticsCanada stats without referencing the particular Stat they used for their 217,000 "assumptions".
There is no StatsCan stat on the "numbers" of Canadians travelling out of Country "specifically" for reasons of obtaining any healthcare.
The only Statistics Canada tally is of the total amounts spent garnered from Rev. Can, totals of receipts filed for tax deductions. They then used an "assumed" average to "calculate" 217,500 from which you initially derived your 38% figure to later reduce it to the now prevalent 36%:
Now there are a couple of other things you should consider about this claim you keep throwing out there as though it's written in stone on a tablet given to Moses. EVEN the rabid conservative "think tank" Fraser Institute (also receiving funding from the Koch Brothers) for the very same period of time, estimated the numbers of Canadians travelling out of country to obtain healthcare at a paltry 63,000 by comparison.
Care to address the rather huge disparity of numbers when both conservative think tanks have utilized the same database of $691 M spent and provincial specialist 'guesstimating' how many of their patients might have received healthcare, for whatever reason, while out of country ?
Accepting of one "assumption" would require you to consider another, if both use the same resource to "estimate" a number, sooo - - - The current population of Canada is 38,056,808 as of Tuesday, June 15, 2021 ergo: 63,000 of 38,000,000 = 0.1657894736842105%
.16% Canadians travelling for healthcare versus .4% Americans travelling for healthcare = Ooopsy
Regardless of the accuracy of source material, that figure of 36% more Canadians than Americans leaving their country to obtain healthcare is bogus.
***On Edit*** I am in error - should have used Canadian population figure for 2017 at just over 36,000,000 which would yield a higher percentage figure of .175 rather than the aforementioned .165-- - - - my bad.
You should know by now that presenting facts in this forum doesn't shake the "Faith of the willfully blind". They will continue spewing their false narratives.
Furthermore, the data source for the 217,500 Canadians that traveled abroad to access health care is from Statistics Canada, the Canadian government's national statistical agency, and did not include Canadians from Saskatchewan, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, and Prince Edward Island in the total. So the total could be even more than 217,500.
And once again you do not address the FACTS presented to you.
I just went through all of that for the third time for you. There is no data from Statistics Canada purporting to show 217,000 Canadians leaving for healthcare. NONE! It's a made up number by a right wing publication paid by an organization attempting to privatize Canadian healthcare.
Once again: The only Statistics Canada tally is of the total amounts spent garnered from Rev. Can, totals of receipts filed for tax deductions. They then used an "assumed" average to "calculate" 217,500 from which you initially derived your 36% figure.
You keep on quoting those figures in a link from secondstreet.org. They are bogus.
Go ahead and search the Statistics Canada Website in it's entirety - You won't find any reference to 217,000 Canadians having left Canada in 2017 to obtain healthcare - NONE!
Brother, for those of you who like to discount links offered up by Canadians as having no credibility, such as one from "Project Hope", you sure are hypocritical when shown the fallacy of sticking with the falsehood from a site called secondstreet. org claiming to have used Statistics Canada data that doesn't exist.
You should know by now that presenting facts in this forum doesn't shake the "Faith of the willfully blind". They will continue spewing their false narratives.
Numerous facts have been posted. They expose Canada's severely flawed two-tiered health care system.
2/3 of Canadians have private health insurance
Canadian health care covers only 70% of Canadians' health care costs, not all of it
2/3 of Canadians say they have to wait too long to access health care
2/3 of Canadians want more access to private health care services
Canadians travel abroad to seek health care at a 36% higher rate than do Americans
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Too many statistics prove otherwise, for example...
