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I always thought, just hand 'em a gun at the boarder and send them back --- but I think that is somehow illegal.
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If we had a covert operation to put a military dictatorship in power then we can also have a covert operation to put a democratically elected leader in power.
The US has destroyed many third world countries by backing dictatorships.
And then we send them money every year.
And for what reason...I really have no clue.
I think a person could spend their lifetime following the money and in the end never really determine, exactly what was going on with it --- it's not just government money, but businesses, as well. (wide lens project documentary on a u.s. oil company, within one of those third world countries)
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The US has destroyed many third world countries by backing dictatorships.
Immigration the by product? Point being, until the conditions that create it are dealt with, it is a forever thing for the u.s.
I think a person could spend their lifetime following the money and in the end never really determine, exactly what was going on with it --- it's not just government money, but businesses, as well. (wide lens project documentary on a u.s. oil company, within one of those third world countries)
Immigration the by product? Point being, until the conditions that create it are dealt with, it is a forever thing for the u.s.
In the case of Guatemala coup it was a US based fruit company that urged the USG to overthrow the government because the President of Guatemala instituted a minimum wage. Truman agreed but his plan failed. Eisenhower succeeded though.
I think a person could spend their lifetime following the money and in the end never really determine, exactly what was going on with it --- it's not just government money, but businesses, as well. (wide lens project documentary on a u.s. oil company, within one of those third world countries)
Immigration the by product? Point being, until the conditions that create it are dealt with, it is a forever thing for the u.s.
The countries sink into third world hellholes under military dictatorship.
Look at the ME countries we helped overthrow, look at Haiti, look at Central and South America.
Take a good look at the monthly CBP reports and you will see people from all those countries we helped overthrow coming here. The CBP report does break down which country these people are coming from.
She didn't need to fly over there to try and find the source of the border crisis, the source is right in the White house and in her mirror.
And she says "climate change" is a explanation for a migrant surge lol, so the scientists were wrong or purposely dismissed the lab theory for COVID because many are involved or addicted to funding, and I suppose the left expect us to "follow the science" for climate change also.
No. I thought he didn't want immigrants except if they were highly skilled and even then not so much. That's it. I thought trump was a racist based on a whole lot of stuff that he said. But maybe he wasn't. He did not want immigrants taking resources away from Americans.
Biden will accept immigrants who are seeking asylum or are entering for some other legal reason. It is a different philosophy on immigration.
I know everyone says this but I don't think I am a racist.
Well, why would we want foreigners migrating here that are unskilled, poor and uneducated? It's smart immigration policy to deny them entry as they end up being a burden to our society. So how was Trump wrong or racist about that? We certainly don't need skilled or unskilled immigrants coming here and taking jobs from Americans either.
Trump welcomed bonified legitimate asylum seekers also he just instead made them wait in Mexico until it could be determined. How was that a bad thing?
How does one take a poor part of the u.s and make it better, economically?
To be clear, I don't have a solution --- that's above my strategies 101 class. But my first though is investors --- but that's where the opposition says, no --- we need u.s. companies to build things here --- economic expansion? imo, that is in part, how we got out of the Great Depression.
Why don't their own rich, elite citizens invest in their own countries? Why should we have to do it? Even outsourcing our jobs hasn't made a difference in those countries. What are we the world's babysitters and saviors?
Maybe if we stopped sending billions to those countries we could invest in helping our own poor and needy instead.
I think a person could spend their lifetime following the money and in the end never really determine, exactly what was going on with it --- it's not just government money, but businesses, as well. (wide lens project documentary on a u.s. oil company, within one of those third world countries)
Immigration the by product? Point being, until the conditions that create it are dealt with, it is a forever thing for the u.s.
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired
In the case of Guatemala coup it was a US based fruit company that urged the USG to overthrow the government because the President of Guatemala instituted a minimum wage. Truman agreed but his plan failed. Eisenhower succeeded though.
The countries sink into third world hellholes under military dictatorship.
Look at the ME countries we helped overthrow, look at Haiti, look at Central and South America.
Take a good look at the monthly CBP reports and you will see people from all those countries we helped overthrow coming here. The CBP report does break down which country these people are coming from.
Yes, I understand all of that and also, that one can go all the way back to the founding documents of this country and find where administration after administration had the hands in foreign deals and whatnot.
I joined a volunteer program --- the government one. It didn't go very well for me. When visiting with my sister and going into details of what went wrong with it for me, her response was --- the project isn't a bad idea, unfortunately the people running it leave a little bit to be desired.
So when we look at the reasons (crime, corruption) people are fleeing their countries, how can we fix their reasons, if we can't fix home.
u.s. makes thing worse --- history shows us that. People say Trump fixed it --- Trump made deals, no new laws, no new anything; money continued to change hands.
Well, why would we want foreigners migrating here that are unskilled, poor and uneducated? It's smart immigration policy to deny them entry as they end up being a burden to our society. So how was Trump wrong or racist about that? We certainly don't need skilled or unskilled immigrants coming here and taking jobs from Americans either.
Trump welcomed bonified legitimate asylum seekers also he just instead made them wait in Mexico until it could be determined. How was that a bad thing?
So only the elite need apply?
Gee that's a great criteria.
Fwiw, America (USA) has filtered in more medical interns from middle east and Asian countries as the discipline they exert is commendable to that field of study.
I find we are the melting pot for a reason. The skills of a boat maker, the agriculture of south American ..
People contribute in different ways.
I've more respect for this administration on international diplomacy. Hint: diplomacy is not the shoot your mouth off style nor need it ever be. Stoic and regardful of difference. Something not seen for four years.
Yes, I understand all of that and also, that one can go all the way back to the founding documents of this country and find where administration after administration had the hands in foreign deals and whatnot.
I joined a volunteer program --- the government one. It didn't go very well for me. When visiting with my sister and going into details of what went wrong with it for me, her response was --- the project isn't a bad idea, unfortunately the people running it leave a little bit to be desired.
So when we look at the reasons (crime, corruption) people are fleeing their countries, how can we fix their reasons, if we can't fix home.
u.s. makes thing worse --- history shows us that. People say Trump fixed it --- Trump made deals, no new laws, no new anything; money continued to change hands.
He did make his deals. He also started putting up a wall and he made the illegals wait in Mexico.
He tried in spite of Congress doing everything they could to block him.
Honestly I don't think we can stem or eliminate the flow.
What we can do though is eliminate all welfare benefits. Everyone needs to earn their right to live here and pay their way.
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