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Old 06-06-2021, 03:47 PM
 
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Apart from the fact that we have similar situations with American labs - what exactly is the point? Whether the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, or whether it originated from a pangolin in a wet market, while it would be nice to know, what difference would it make politically? Even if it's from the lab, it was still an accident, and even if it weren't, it's not as if we're going to ban all Chinese products to retaliate.
watch this and see if you still agree with your premise.

https://twitter.com/D_Alex_connect/s...67896321638403
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Old 06-06-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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The reality is that China has gained a lot of brownie points around the world recently with countries desperate for vaccines.
hmm.

Top China official says efficacy of vaccines is low

China is vaccinating the world ... with vaccines that don't work well
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Old 06-06-2021, 04:07 PM
 
Location: NY
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Unbelievable conclusion! The fact is the pandemic started. Once it started, the world needed to take the necessary steps to slow the spread of the virus. Because the necessary steps were not taken, 3.7M people in the world are dead. The USA had one of the worst responses in the world with the most deaths, and ranking 18th highest in the world for death per 1M population.
He had no humility. Not even a little bit, especially given how he championed gain of function research. The American public were the victims of all this, and we did the best we could. Fauci, on the other hand, could have done a lot better.
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Old 06-06-2021, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Canada
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*shrug* It was better than no vaccine, which was the only other option for many countries.
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Old 06-06-2021, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I read the long article. It explains why the US agencies wanted to steer focus away from the lab leak theory.

From the article: "State Department investigators say they were repeatedly advised not to open a “Pandora’s box.â€"

But then Trump blabbed. He saw documents, he couldn't keep quiet.

From the article: "Shi Zhengli (Bat Lady) herself listed U.S. government grant support of more than $1.2 million on her curriculum vitae: $665,000 from the NIH between 2014 and 2019; and $559,500 over the same period from USAID."

The article also pointed to Dr Ralph Baric of University of North Carolina as a collaborator and joint author with Shi Zhengli. UNC is one of three laboratories in the world that has the capability to manufacture a new virus.

This is what we already knew in 2015 -

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1110115711.htm

"there is no treatment for this newly discovered virus".

Of course Fauci knew about all the gain of function research that is going on, and he knew what the government has been funding. If people keep digging, they'll also find out about military involvement. The Pandora's Box has been opened.
Very easy for people to take a small pieces of information and develop a conspiracy, we have seen this many times before. Trump claimed "what if they developed a bio weapon" and Peter Navarro claimed they actually did develop a weapon, all without any facts back in April 2020, just throwing it out there.

The Bat Lady has been sharing research for years, why is that now an issue and why is GOF suddenly an anathema since it is also used in research labs to develop vaccines. Why shouldn't we collaborate with other countries.

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Experts have suspected the SARS-CoV-2 virus similarly originated in bats. Researchers in China — including at the Wuhan Institute of Virology — have said the virus shares 96% of its genome with a bat virus collected by researchers in 2013 in Yunnan Province, China. (While that’s quite similar, Dr. Stanley Perlman, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Iowa who studies coronaviruses and a pediatric infectious disease physician, told us it would be “impossible†to take such a virus and make the kind of changes required to turn it into SARS-CoV-2 in a lab. One would need a virus that’s 99.9% similar, and “in theory it might work.â€)

The NIAID told the Wall Street Journal: “The research by EcoHealth Alliance, Inc. that NIH funded was for a project that aimed to characterize at the molecular level the function of newly discovered bat spike proteins and naturally occurring pathogens. Molecular characterization examines functions of an organism at the molecular level, in this case a virus and a spike protein, without affecting the environment or development or physiological state of the organism. At no time did NIAID fund gain-of-function research to be conducted at WIV.â€

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/th...-disagreement/
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Old 06-06-2021, 06:03 PM
 
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*shrug* It was better than no vaccine, which was the only other option for many countries.
Ok. we'll give them credit for distribution of a crappy product.
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Old 06-06-2021, 06:13 PM
 
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Apart from the fact that we have similar situations with American labs - what exactly is the point? Whether the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, or whether it originated from a pangolin in a wet market, while it would be nice to know, what difference would it make politically? Even if it's from the lab, it was still an accident, and even if it weren't, it's not as if we're going to ban all Chinese products to retaliate.


A "similar situation with American labs" would exist if a US lab accidentally or deliberately released a virus that killed millions of people, left others with long-term medical conditions that could reduce their life expectancy and quality of life and destroyed commerce the world over.

If the release was deliberate, what makes you think this reengineered virus isn't one of many or that the treat of their release couldn't be used by the Communist Chinese as a virtual dooms-day machine?

FTR, are you really that worried that cheap Chinese plastic crap won't be available?

You know, before the PRC came along, we did business with a number of other nations, none of which posed an existential military threat to the North American continent.

Everything will be OK after we tell the Chi-Comms to pound sand.

You just gotta trust me on this one.
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Old 06-06-2021, 06:22 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Really..factcheck.org ? You haven't learned yet ?



https://www.foxnews.com/media/realcl...eak-about-face
Fact-checkers in 'embarrassing position' after lab leak theory about-face....
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Old 06-06-2021, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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We should absolutely understand the origin to the extent we are able to determine it. The information will help us combat future recurrences, whether the virus was manmade or natually occurring, spread organically or released either accidentially or intentionally. We will learn from it regardless. And certainly if the virus did come from a lab it is important for accountability, even if there isn't any direct accountability it would strngthen our hand with resect to standards in the future. Regardless of what ends up to be the truth, it's important to know it. And even moreso if it did come from a lab in China - if that is the case and we don't call them on it or get other action it will embolden them in the future.
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Old 06-06-2021, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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The Bat Lady has been sharing research for years, why is that now an issue and why is GOF suddenly an anathema since it is also used in research labs to develop vaccines. Why shouldn't we collaborate with other countries.
These virologists all know each other, especially the ones that work with coronaviruses. If they haven't collaborated and published together, they've met at conferences and had meals together. Scientists work with international colleagues and are familiar with each other's work. This includes the Bat Lady. And the WHO team members all know each other already.
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