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Old 06-04-2021, 09:41 AM
 
Location: The Sunshine State of Mind
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Joe should represent the people that elected him. The citizens of West Virginia. If his constituents are for something, Joe should vote their wishes regardless of how he or his party feels.

At least that's how it's suppose to work in a representative type government.
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Old 06-04-2021, 09:49 AM
 
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Meh, Democrats know that if Manchin didn't at least occasionally do the right thing and go against their party that seat would be owned outright by Republicans so they may cry and whine, but they know they need him to continue to at least occasionally pretend to have same views and go against them.
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Old 06-04-2021, 09:51 AM
 
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Manchin knows his constituents ...
He is also quite wealthy.

He knows them, but like most people in these circumstances he doesn't sympathize with them very much.

Knowing them means knowing what to say and when to say it, that's not the same as helping them. This is a much more common phenomenon within the Republican Party, but there you have it, a Democrat pulling the same racket as Gaetz, Greene, McConnell etc...
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Old 06-04-2021, 09:53 AM
 
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He is also quite wealthy.

He knows them, but like most people in these circumstances he doesn't sympathize with them very much.

Knowing them means knowing what to say and when to say it, that's not the same as helping them. This is a much more common phenomenon within the Republican Party, but there you have it, a Democrat pulling the same racket as Gaetz, Greene, McConnell etc...
That's the entire basis of the Democratic party....

That's how they continue to own the black vote despite doing nothing to help get them out of poverty over the past 60 years.
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Old 06-04-2021, 10:17 AM
 
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He is also quite wealthy.

He knows them, but like most people in these circumstances he doesn't sympathize with them very much.

Knowing them means knowing what to say and when to say it, that's not the same as helping them. This is a much more common phenomenon within the Republican Party, but there you have it, a Democrat pulling the same racket as Gaetz, Greene, McConnell etc...
That's the entire basis of the Democratic party....

That's how they continue to own the black vote despite doing nothing to help get them out of poverty over the past 60 years.
This is very ironic.

One would think the 'black vote' would be with the party of Lincoln, no?

Why not? ... think about it.

No one makes those people want to be Democrats, they could come to that conclusion all by themselves ... in a mature adult fashion, and the history of that switch is fascinating. Study up on it. Read about William L Dawson, read about Adam Clayton Powell, read about Strom Thurmond and George Wallace, read about John Lewis.

It puts to lie everything you are claiming here.
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Old 06-04-2021, 01:53 PM
 
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Why not? ... think about it.
The party of slavery found a new way to enslave them.
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Old 06-04-2021, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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"He coulda, woulda, shoulda", and "If only Manchin 'switched', became an Independent, whatever"... lol! Always touching the way the Far Right continues hoping against all hope, and against all the evidence, that somehow, some way, they can once again regain 'control'... of the Senate, the House, and the Presidency, all of which they managed to squander away, in less than 4 years!

Manchin hasn't served as both Governor and senior Senator to WV for all this time for nuthin', so he ain't 'changing', despite the fantasies of the GOP... which BTW, nowadays seems to be in much the same, lost-in-the-political-wilderness 'predicament' the Dems went thru in the 70's and 80's, following their own post-60's marriage with 'extremism'.
So if I read this correctly, anyone who doesn't subscribe to the orthodoxy of the radicals who have hijacked the Democratic Party is, by definition, "Far Right"?
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Old 06-04-2021, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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The GOP won every county in the WV 2020 governors race and if he retires it's unlikely a Dem could win his seat. He's put himself in a great position because the Dems lose control if he switches parties and he's become a deciding vote in so many issues. If Manchin were to start supporting defund the police or other far left programs he'd be done. Sinema and Kelly in Arizona are also playing down the middle because they'd also be gone if they backed the AOC agenda.

Only six states now have senators who are members of, or caucus with each party. Other 44 are 2 Dems or 2 GOPers. Bigger issue than Manchin is purple states like Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Arizona. They could easily become like Florida and start trending more red if the Dems go too far left.
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Old 06-04-2021, 02:50 PM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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And Collins and Murkowski become Democrats?
Basically
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Old 06-04-2021, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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At one tie moderates were welcome in both parties and had a place. It seems like the activist wings of both parties are forgetting how important the moderates are in both parties to help balance the extremism out.

Also, from a pragmatic perspective, MAnchine has FAR more power as a swong vote in the majority power than he would have as a moderate in the minority party, so there is exactly zero motive for him to become independent at this moment in time anyway. Sadly, there is little political positives to being an independent. You lose the fundraising machine of a major party.
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