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“Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.”
There is a phrase about how “criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.”
I just can’t find where not providing “equal billing” about Arab-inflicted atrocities in a message board topic that is explicitly about Israel’s behavior in the West Bank is antisemitic. And despite what you want us to believe, that not bringing up whataboutism in this specific thread, that anytime you mention Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians not mentioning Arab crimes against Jews is antisemitic, neither can you.
Arab atrocities against Israel can be discussed in isolation. So can Israeli behavior that mistreats Palestinians. It doesn’t imply a prejudice against one side or another and not discussing them in the same thread is certainly not antisemitism.
It’s right there - and you quoted it! “Criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be considered antisemitic.” But the criticism is NOT similar. That’s the point! It’s full-blown, targeted, vehement condemnation of Israel that we do not see with other countries. Thus, it IS antisemitic.
And no....as much as you want to “isolate” a discussion of the horrific treatment of Jews by Arabs, which of course has been worse and more widespread, that’s also the point: there IS no or very little such discussion. How the Jews have been treated by Arabs simply isn’t a hot issue; for some reason, all the venom is directed toward the Jew Country.
And trying to separate the two is the way that people driven by antisemitism, even unknowingly, attempt to HIDE the double standard. You can’t reveal the double standard if you isolate each without drawing comparisons.
And it’s especially infuriating coming from liberals, who claim anything and everything racist. It’s systemic. All whites are born racist. Being on time is a whiteness trait. Pull Aunt Jemima from the shelves. And then you deny, deny, deny that the double standards you apply where Jews are concerned isn’t antisemitic. Twist around and misinterpret sentences so you can get away with DISSIMILAR treatment.
The bolded isn't even remotely true. How "native" a person is to any particular scrap of ground varies wildly over time. Mass migrations, conquests, depopulation, removal of one group in favor of another, etc. -- there is probably no land where this is more commonplace throughout history than the land of Israel.
Fine and good to claim that "they were always there" but that's a load of crap and we both know it.
The Palestinians can leave. The surrounding Muslim nations can welcome them in and let them rebuild their lives. But the entire Muslim world is willing to leave them there in refugee camps for generations. They abandon them there to suffer. Why? So they can point to the poor suffering Palestinians and use it as a cudgel to reignite and whip up hatred for Jews once again. So they can rally Muslims to take back the land that they'd "rightfully" stolen.
You have a heart.. NOT. The Palestinians were removed from their land. Taking your point of view, Israel did not need to be created, as there was safety in the USA for Jews, right? I'm not going down that rabbit hole. The fact remains, the Palestinians were ejected, their land seized, their right denied to this day, their homes destroyed, and you seem to be A-OK with that?
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You're mindset massively clouded by hatred. Why else are you only obsessed with Israel/Palestine?? Do you even care that Muslim Turkish forces occupy half of Cyprus? Have you ever put forth any effort to get Turkey to actually acknowledge the Armenian Holocaust, and actually apologize for it?? Have you spend two seconds advocating for the plight of the Coptic Christians of Egypt?? Did you realize that Islam is vastly more likely to persecute other religions than the reverse?? Did you know that Christianity is numerically the most persecuted religion on earth? For every person murdered for the religion in the world, it is overwhelmingly likely that they're Christian. Do you care about that??
The topic here is Israel's treatment of the indigenous Palestinians. Start a thread on your topics if you wish, but don't derail this one with your "Whataboutisms". That is a failed debate tactic only weak debaters attempt.
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The fact that you only seem to care when it's the Jews do something you don't like -- yeah that's definitely pretty antisemitic. It's probably time for you to ask yourself why you're obsessed with the alleged crimes of just Jews, don't you think? Likely you aren't even seeing your antisemitism for what it is. You're just parroting what you hear in the news and social media because nobody is talking about the many many many many dehumanizing crimes of Muslims, Atheists, Communists, etc. I'm a lot more concerned for practitioners of Falun Gong than I am for Palestinians, but I'm betting you know nothing about it.
I am concerned about the plight of the Palestinian people, a plight caused by Israel. "Israel" and "Jews" are not synonymous, and I have linked were Jewish organizations, including the JDL, have expressed concerns about that plight.
Your tactic is not working, trying to race bait me.
It’s right there - and you quoted it! “Criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be considered antisemitic.” But the criticism is NOT similar. That’s the point! It’s full-blown, targeted, vehement condemnation of Israel that we do not see with other countries. Thus, it IS antisemitic.
And no....as much as you want to “isolate” a discussion of the horrific treatment of Jews by Arabs, which of course has been worse and more widespread, that’s also the point: there IS no or very little such discussion. How the Jews have been treated by Arabs simply isn’t a hot issue; for some reason, all the venom is directed toward the Jew Country.
And trying to separate the two is the way that people driven by antisemitism, even unknowingly, attempt to HIDE the double standard. You can’t reveal the double standard if you isolate each without drawing comparisons.
And it’s especially infuriating coming from liberals, who claim anything and everything racist. It’s systemic. All whites are born racist. Being on time is a whiteness trait. Pull Aunt Jemima from the shelves. And then you deny, deny, deny that the double standards you apply where Jews are concerned isn’t antisemitic. Twist around and misinterpret sentences so you can get away with DISSIMILAR treatment.
Start a thread on that reprehensible treatment, then. No matter how you bleat and twist, it is not antisemitism to discuss a specific topic. You just want it to be and won’t consider that maybe, just maybe, a topic can be discussed without complying with your specific requirements. Your interpretation of the State Department guidance is interesting. Totally wrong, misguided, and foolish, but you’re entitled to your own biased set of opinions.
I would probably take you a little more seriously if every other word out of your mouth wasn’t ‘antisemitism’. It’s an attempt at distraction.
The thread title is up there. You see anything about Arab mistreatment of Jews? Nope.
Start a thread on that reprehensible treatment, then. No matter how you bleat and twist, it is not antisemitism to discuss a specific topic. You just want it to be and won’t consider that maybe, just maybe, a topic can be discussed without complying with your specific requirements. Your interpretation of the State Department guidance is interesting. Totally wrong, misguided, and foolish, but you’re entitled to your own biased set of opinions.
I would probably take you a little more seriously if every other word out of your mouth wasn’t ‘antisemitism’. It’s an attempt at distraction.
The thread title is up there. You see anything about Arab mistreatment of Jews? Nope.
You keep pretending to miss the point. Insisting on “a separate thread” about how extensively Arabs have persecuted Jews HIDES the double standard that is being applied to the Jewish State. That’s why you and others like you want to keep it out of discussions on Israel. But once again, your wanting to focus JUST on Israel is revealing of something not very.....kosher.
And also once again, it’s very telling how liberals such as yourself get up in arms about anything that could possibly be interpreted as racist, but then work triple-time to deny that targeted complaints about Israeli Jews, above and beyond ANYBODY ELSE, doesn’t qualify as a sign of antisemitism.
I honestly think liberals can’t acknowledge what I’m saying because of the cognitive dissonance it would create. They claim to be the party that stands against racism, so how then can they admit that they are meeting the definition of antisemitism? Like Javar in Les Miserables, your “world would no longer hold.”
P.S. About the thread title: of COURSE there’s nothing in there about Arab mistreatment of Jews. When have you, or any liberal, EVER started a thread on Arab persecution and expulsion of Jews? Never. That’s because you want to ONLY talk about how those Jews do wrong. And THAT is the “tell.”
Seeing Israel controls the West Bank, and doesn't make any real moves to make the "two state solution" a reality, then should the Palestinians that are subject to Israeli domination and control not be given equal rights to all Israeli's.
Nobody is saying they can't apply for Israeli citizenship, and already 20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinian arabs.
"Called Israeli Arabs by Israel and much of the international media, Palestinian citizens of Israel by some others, the Arab citizens of Israel comprise just over 20 percent of the population."
You have a heart.. NOT. The Palestinians were removed from their land. Taking your point of view, Israel did not need to be created, as there was safety in the USA for Jews, right? I'm not going down that rabbit hole. The fact remains, the Palestinians were ejected, their land seized, their right denied to this day, their homes destroyed, and you seem to be A-OK with that?
The majority of Palestinian Arabs left voluntarily their land at the start of 1948 at the invitation of the surrounding Arab nations who thought they would destroy the Jewish state. Since that didn't happen, Israel wasn't going to take about these Arab enemies and the host Arab states left to linger in refugee camps instead of trying to rehelp them integrate in the host Arab countries. Meanwhile, Jews living in Arab lands were forced to flee without any compensation for their properties left behind. So one could say a population exchange happened. Israel absorbed these Jewish refugees just like the Arab countries should have done with the Palestinian Arabs within their borders.
Obviously the USA was never a refugee country for all the Jews worldwide especially during WWII when many European Jews were turned away due to American immigration quotas.
But... you seem to A-OK with millions of Palestinians, a people who have always been indigenous to the area, to be displaced, occupied, their land taken away, their homes destroyed, and their civil liberty denied? Because why? What did they do to be negatively impacted by the 1947 decision? They were innocent inhabitants, whose ancestry was there. Always.
First, it was never millions of 'Palestinians', it was about 700,000 who chose to leave, were asked to leave, or some forced out of their homes in 1947-8. Others stayed. As pointed out in the post ^^^ above.
But let's turn that around to the Jews of Iraq/Iran. You seem A-OK with hundreds of thousands of Jews, a people who were indigenous to those areas (formerly known as Assyria, Babylon, and Persia) for 2,500 years, to be forcefully displaced, their land taken away, and their civil liberties denied. You also seem to be a-ok with hundred of Jews, who have always been living in the Old City of Jerusalem, to be displaced, their land taken away, their homes destroyed, and their civil liberties denied in 1967.
Clearly, you do cannot understand the issue since you pretend to not know all of history, just the parts that fit your narrative.
First, it was never millions of 'Palestinians', it was about 700,000 who chose to leave, were asked to leave, or some forced out of their homes in 1947-8. Others stayed. As pointed out in the post ^^^ above.
You mean like all the Jews in the 1930's that 'chose to leave' Germany?
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But let's turn that around to the Jews of Iraq/Iran. You seem A-OK with hundreds of thousands of Jews, a people who were indigenous to those areas (formerly known as Assyria, Babylon, and Persia) for 2,500 years, to be forcefully displaced, their land taken away, and their civil liberties denied. You also seem to be a-ok with hundred of Jews, who have always been living in the Old City of Jerusalem, to be displaced, their land taken away, their homes destroyed, and their civil liberties denied in 1967.
Feel free to open a thread on that issue. I may well agree with many of your points. Don't try and highjack this one by changing the topic.
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Clearly, you do cannot understand the issue since you pretend to not know all of history, just the parts that fit your narrative.
Clearly you have no idea what or what I may not know of history, or my education in it. My favorite class? "History of the Cold War since 1945". My professor? An former ambassador to the UN (not the USA) who was there for almost 6 years. It was enlightening how much of the "common narrative" had nothing to do with the reality of what happened there, and the discussions that took place. He knew people like Nassar, he knew people like Golda Meir, and he knew their contemporaries.
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