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Old 06-07-2021, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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Idaho, with some of the most progressive, pro-civil-rights gun laws in the nation (including Constitutional Carry), has a murder rate of 2 per 100,000, and that is down 18% from 2019 (2020 most current data I can find). Memphis-per the OPs number, has a rate of 51 per 100,000. Hint-it's not differing gun laws responsible for the difference. Baltimore greatly restricts the rights of it's citizens, and has a murder rate (per OPs numbers) of 56. I guess maybe you're right-that shows what a difference disarming law abiding members of the populace can make. Criminals like their victims to be disarmed.
Then why aren't their more murders in places like the UK (quote a diverse society) or Australia (again have you been in Sidney, it's every bit as diverse as Chicago or NYC) yet, w/ a "defenseless population" because of strict gun laws, they don't have near the murder issue that most major American cities have (both in Blue states like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, etc and in Red States, ie Memphis, St Louis, Houston)...much tougher to kill someone w/out a gun, than with one.
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Old 06-07-2021, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Goes to show how much difference disarming the populace can make.

A person can buy a gun in either European country, but it's not nearly as easy there as it is here.

I'm not saying it's bad or good that it's so easy to obtain a firearm here, but the ease contributes to our homicide rate.

It's up to the individual as to whether they think it's bad, good, or indifferent.
Minn. is doing one better ---they are 'De-funding the police' and its working out Marvelously~

Just ask the Citizens of Minneapolis.




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Old 06-07-2021, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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You know this is not true. You absolutely know this. All of the US cities that make it as difficult as possible to legally buy a gun are also very high crime.
A city can only do so much...if the area around it is really easy to buy guns in, they will make their way into the city...

The entre country of the UK is near impossible to get a gun in...same w/ Australia.
The USA has hundreds of millions of fire arms in it. So just because a city makes it hard to get them in a city, doesn't mean people can't just get them somewhere else and sell them on the black market.
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Old 06-07-2021, 06:40 PM
 
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A city can only do so much...if the area around it is really easy to buy guns in, they will make their way into the city...

The entre country of the UK is near impossible to get a gun in...same w/ Australia.
The USA has hundreds of millions of fire arms in it. So just because a city makes it hard to get them in a city, doesn't mean people can't just get them somewhere else and sell them on the black market.
Switzerland isn't that hard of a country to get a gun in. It has a lower homicide rate than the UK.
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Old 06-07-2021, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Denver metro
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They are just killing other democrats and liberals, so I'm okay with that.

Libs deserve what they voted for.
Has our political discourse gotten so rotten as to be happy when people of opposing views die? It's one thing to disagree with another's ideology, but an entirely other thing to wish or "be ok with" people dying needless deaths.
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Old 06-07-2021, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Switzerland isn't that hard of a country to get a gun in. It has a lower homicide rate than the UK.
Switzerland is violent in other ways.

Lots of gang culture on the rise in Geneva and Zurich, don't buy the propaganda.
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Old 06-07-2021, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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This is a problem in Republican cities as well. Fort Worth just went over 100 murders for the first time since the 1990s. Republican mayor. Black on Black violence has increased. Same goes for Jacksonville, Oklahoma City, and Tulsa. Wherever there are Black people living in the ghettos, there are going to be many issues with Black on Black murder. It's been going on for over a century. No one cared in the past as long as it was only the Black section of town and Blacks stayed there.
The cities that the OP mentioned are democrat. I think the problem is the gun control crowd advocates, which are most often white upper class urban liberals that live in the wealthier neighborhoods of democratic cities where the cops are always only a minute away. They ignore the fact that most murders happen in ghettos rather than small towns and rural areas where most people are armed but there is a low murder rate. If they really wanted to reduce the murder rate then they would focus on fixing the problems within ghettos which cause those problems rather than disarming law abiding citizens. They also like to ignore the origins of gun control in the U.S. After the Civil War, the South created the Black Codes which prohibited blacks from owning guns. The klan would raid black communities and confiscate their guns. They may say the murder rate in the U.S. is due to guns, but the policies they want to enact are are akin to what actual white supremacists did.
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:10 AM
 
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A city can only do so much...if the area around it is really easy to buy guns in, they will make their way into the city...

The entre country of the UK is near impossible to get a gun in...same w/ Australia.
The USA has hundreds of millions of fire arms in it. So just because a city makes it hard to get them in a city, doesn't mean people can't just get them somewhere else and sell them on the black market.
Yeah, you might want to do a little research on that. They are highly restricted but legal ownership is much higher than you think it is in those countries.
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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America is quickly turning into a cross between South Africa, and a banana republic like Honduras.
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:56 AM
 
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Then why aren't their more murders in places like the UK (quote a diverse society) or Australia (again have you been in Sidney, it's every bit as diverse as Chicago or NYC) yet, w/ a "defenseless population" because of strict gun laws, they don't have near the murder issue that most major American cities have (both in Blue states like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, etc and in Red States, ie Memphis, St Louis, Houston)...much tougher to kill someone w/out a gun, than with one.
So, you are saying that the ease of killing someone (using a firearm) is what is making people kill each
other ? Interesting. You are aware that there are close to a hundred million legal firearms owners in the U.S. ? That's close to a hundred million people with extremely easy access to firearms....and yet it isn't all Mad Max out there...
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