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When the Irish and Italians arrived there was no welfare. It was either sink or swim. Nor did local governments give them documents in their native languages. Thus, they, along with other immigrants at the time, knew that they had to learn English to survive (I'm talking about the Italians when it comes to learning the language). Times were different. We were largely, at the time, an agrarian and industrial country. Many Americans, as well as immigrants, were illiterate. With that kind of economy, it was easy to find work if one was illiterate.
Most importantly, these groups (regarding Irish and Italians as per your post) assimilated. They, and their children, fought and died in our wars.
You can't compare what happened over 100 years ago to what is happening now. These days, we have ethnic groups who aren't assimilating. Many times, when they move into a community in great numbers, it ends up tearing the whole fabric of the society.
Assimilated to what? When I was a kid (in the 80s/90s), there were Italian neighborhoods where they had their Italian bakeries and restaurants. These people ate fish on Christmas Eve instead of turkey like "real Americans." They often spoke Italian at home.
It's similar to how Mexicans might have their Mexican stores and eat Mexican food instead of meatloaf and mashed potatoes and speak Spanish at home. Hispanics join our military and fight in our wars.
Native Americans are immigrants to the US, they did not found the US. The only claim they have is they were on the physical land, that is all. They did not found, create, the US, and were granted citizenship for all in the 1920's. Furthermore, the "we all are immigrants" is false, those born in the US are not immigrants.
The term for Native Americans is internal migration not immigration. Its like when Puerto Rico became a territory in 1917. They did not immigrate to America. Immigration is moving to a foreign country to live.
No one says we are all immigrants only that we are all here because of immigrants. My grandparents on one side were immigrants. To pretend that lineage does not exist because one is anti immigrant is silly.
I don't want illegal immigration but legal immigration is fine. I have a immigrant friend who has the idea that you should need pay a fee of $1 million to be allowed to move here. We don't need poor uneducated people now. Automation is coming and they won't be productive when that happens.
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The term for Native Americans is internal migration not immigration. Its like when Puerto Rico became a territory in 1917. They did not immigrate to America. Immigration is moving to a foreign country to live.
No one says we are all immigrants only that we are all here because of immigrants. My grandparents on one side were immigrants. To pretend that lineage does not exist because one is anti immigrant is silly.
I don't want illegal immigration but legal immigration is fine. I have a immigrant friend who has the idea that you should need pay a fee of $1 million to be allowed to move here. We don't need poor uneducated people now. Automation is coming and they won't be productive when that happens.
Only the employees of robot companies should be allowed to come to America…or eat.
Assimilated to what? When I was a kid (in the 80s/90s), there were Italian neighborhoods where they had their Italian bakeries and restaurants. These people ate fish on Christmas Eve instead of turkey like "real Americans." They often spoke Italian at home.
We always eat fish on Christmas Eve - Italian Feast of the Seven Fishes, although we rarely have seven. My Polish family celebrates Christmas Eve with the Wigilia, which is heavy on pickled herring (and pierogi) instead of salted cod.
First of all, the existence of Mestizo people makes your sentence oxymoronic. Your arguing mixed race people being concentrated in a region means that their isn't any mixing. 2nd of all, White Mexicans while having majority European are somewhere between 9%-47% of the population for a reason. Just like Mestizo people they are mixed. Even many Amerindians are mixed with small percentages of European. If you put the cut-off at 90% of one "race", easily 90% of Mexico is mixed race.
Mexico City the median was just over 50% European, but actual people on the street ranged from 21% European to 70%, through DNA tests. Northern Mexico is a bit higher than that but still isn't past 80% European. Now their full-blown 100% White or fairly close people in Mexico but they are rarer than the less than 7% fully-blown Amerindian population.
Your also counting race and culture as one. Again their not equivalent. Different races don't have different cultures. People only believe this because their is a shared Western Tradition, but I kid you not, if Turks were Christians they would be considered Europeans, and likely would have mixed more with Europeans justifying said inclusion. The same could be said of the Berbers, if Carthaginian civilization was Europeanized, and thrived rather than decline and left the region to be Arabized.
If the Muslims still had control of the Iberian Peninsula, everyone south of the Pyrenees would be grouped with North Africa. They would also have more Arab and Berber admixture in their blood, further separating them from "Europeans".
The only difference between Christian Lebanese and many parts of Greece is geographical location.
Now culture is ethnic, and specific to ethnicity, and since ethnicities largely don't exist in a vacuum a collection of ethnicities leads to the concept of race, now because some cultural concepts like religion encompass more than individual ethnicities, people assign cultural traits to races but it makes no sense to do so.
East and SE Asians aren't Buddhist because it suddenly jumped into the racial consciousness of all the East Asian ethnic groups. It spread from India and became dominant in that region, to the point where East and SE Asian culture is synonymous with Buddhist practices. But Buddhism isn't some East and SE Asian cultural trait. Today that region is home to nearly 2 billion people and the majority of them aren't Buddhist. In fact Irreligiousness, Shintoism, Islam, Christianity and Hinduism all have strongholds throughout the region.
Saying a place is 47% White as a culture or someone is 21% Mestizo as a culture or even Amerindian is all nonsense. These "racial" classifications can point to some European or Central Mexican cultural traits that were brought over, but White Mexicans do not have a defining cultural difference from Mexicans of other races. Being historically based in a region is meaningless, when even "White Mexicans" by definition are almost all Mestizo, meaning "mixed" people.
Mexicans believe there is a difference in how they treat each other:
Whites are in the north? Huh? There are Mennonites who live in Chihuahua and came directly from Europe as well as some Mormons from the USA there. Very small population. Otherwise the "whites" are not in the north. Its not broken down that way at all. If you speak spanish and are part of the latin culture you are part of one big group. Latin America does not divide people by race as we do here.
The "migrants" are from Central America not some influx from Columbia. And the ones that cannot get into America end up in the north and work in the factories on the border. There is no big conflict due to race there. We have a unique situation here due to past slavery and the huge amount of immigrants who come here yearly. Mexico has a different history. And their problems are more complex than race or immigration.
Mexico's issues spring from the cartel influence, corruption in general and the families at the very top who own a big portion of the wealth in the country. Certainly race and immigration are way down the list of issues.
They do, in latin America darker skin people are racial separated from whiter people. It is worse in Brazil, but even in Mexico:
All societies in history have collapsed. We will too. It has nothing to do with diversity or lack of.
No, they still exist today in some form.
Persia (Iran), China, Denmark (Danes), Greece (Hellenic), Korea, Japan, etc. all have existed for thousands of years.
Now multicultural entities like the Roman Empire, Babylonia, HRE, USSR, Macedonian Empire, etc. are all gone.
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