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Old 06-15-2021, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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A lot of these transgenders are cry baby hypocrites who will demand legal recognition for their sexuality, yet don't give a stuff about the sexuality of others.

It's a form of sexual predation to deceive those who have no interest in homosexual to to having it because they think they are with a member of the opposite sex.

Transgenders who seek to deceive others for their own sexual gratification, deserve any violent overreaction they get.
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Old 06-15-2021, 10:35 AM
 
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It does not matter. They are masquerading as something they are not either way. The "Trans" part is irrelevant.

So the reason this was apparently a problem is because this person was masquerading as a woman when in fact, he is a man. In the context of sexual intimacy, mating and pairing, the offense becomes magnified both morally and socially, to serious criminal proportions.

All things considered, the man who killed him should be given a suspended sentence with no jail time.
And then we get into the whole pool of masquerading as something your not in the context of sexual intimacy, or in this case a BJ hookup.
People often masquerade as single, sometimes as famous, wealthy, of a different religion or race, background or age, etc.
Some want to draw the line of deceit at biological gender but you know allowing for criminal charges for this one particular deception will open the entire can of worms.

I don't care if one finds out the person they were intimate with was actually the same sex it is not an excuse to murder someone.
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Old 06-15-2021, 10:36 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Ok, whatever?
Im not sure what we are agreeing or disagreeing on. Maybe Im having a senior day.
Yes the offense was 2nd degree murder. I thought the issue being discussed was the sexual act and if a transgender person has a legal obligation to disclose their status.
As the OP let me clarify that for you. It’s whether people think they SHOULD have an obligation to disclose their status. It’s whether people think failure to disclose might be considered a form of rape. It’s whether such a failure to disclose might be considered as a mitigating circumstance in determining the appropriate charges in a death - as in 1st degree murder/hate crime versus 2nd degree murder/manslaughter.

Historically, it would have been considered justification. The demand for it to no longer be considered mitigating circumstances is what is new.
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Old 06-15-2021, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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As the OP let me clarify that for you. It’s whether people think they SHOULD have an obligation to disclose their status. It’s whether people think failure to disclose might be considered a form of rape. It’s whether such a failure to disclose might be considered as a mitigating circumstance in determining the appropriate charges in a death - as in 1st degree murder/hate crime versus 2nd degree murder/manslaughter.

Historically, it would have been considered justification. The demand for it to no longer be considered mitigating circumstances is what is new.
The slippery slope in action.
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Old 06-15-2021, 10:42 AM
 
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All things considered, the man who killed him should be given a suspended sentence with no jail time.
I agree. There is no excuse for the despicable actions of the tranny. He got what he deserved.
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Old 06-15-2021, 10:45 AM
 
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The slippery slope in action.
That slope was greased by former Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy. The damage he has done to our society has been enormous, even incalculable. And it is not over with by a longshot. This situation is just one example on a very long list.

Now we have to find a way to try to mitigate, contain and repair the damage.
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Old 06-15-2021, 10:48 AM
 
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As the OP let me clarify that for you. It’s whether people think they SHOULD have an obligation to disclose their status. It’s whether people think failure to disclose might be considered a form of rape. It’s whether such a failure to disclose might be considered as a mitigating circumstance in determining the appropriate charges in a death - as in 1st degree murder/hate crime versus 2nd degree murder/manslaughter.

Historically, it would have been considered justification. The demand for it to no longer be considered mitigating circumstances is what is new.
Thank you for your clarification.
I do think morally one has an obligation to disclose their status, any status that would factor into a persons willingness to engage in sex.
I do not think failure to disclose should be considered rape.
As far as charges in general I dont think failure to disclose should be entered into determining charges.
In this particular cases the details are not clear. On face value second degree IMO seems appropriate. But the murderer may actually planned on killing the victim according to the footage showing him and two others at the apartment, so it may have been premeditated but I really dont think it was a hate crime.
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Old 06-15-2021, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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That slope was greased by former Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy. The damage he has done to our society has been enormous, even incalculable. And it is not over with by a longshot. This situation is just one example on a very long list.

Now we have to find a way to try to mitigate, contain and repair the damage.
Yes, one of the results has been that some posters feel free to encourage those who would groom and predate those of a different sexuality through deceit - for these posters, acceptance isn't enough, they demand that the rest of us believe that a transgender actually is a member of the opposite sex.

The move from asking for tolerance or acceptance, to demanding belief, is what makes these posters fascists (for lack of a better word) bullies, and rape enablers. I wouldn't leave children alone around these sort of posters.
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Old 06-15-2021, 11:34 AM
 
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Historically, it would have been considered justification. The demand for it to no longer be considered mitigating circumstances is what is new.
Historically adultery would have been considered justification for murdering a man or beating your wife. A woman's reputation or manner of dress or where a bouts justifications for her rape. And lets not forget what ones skin color or culture historically justified various abuses. Not so long ago just being homosexual was justification for a good beat down.
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Old 06-15-2021, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Historically adultery would have been considered justification for murdering a man or beating your wife. A woman's reputation or manner of dress or where a bouts justifications for her rape. And lets not forget what ones skin color or culture historically justified various abuses. Not so long ago just being homosexual was justification for a good beat down.
The obvious difference that you have in missed in your rush to force a belief on everyone, is that these are all examples of people harming people who haven't laid a finger on them.

You're actually comparing the unfortunate victims of racial/gay hatred, women raped for being different, or even the adulterer, to someone who would use deceit to sexually assault another person.

That's really twisted - next you will be telling us that the victims of transgender sexual assault were "asking for it".
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