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Old 01-07-2022, 05:23 PM
 
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Person A "You want a BJ?"
Person B "yep"

That is consent. Person B consented to getting a BJ from person A. The fact that they didn't bother to learn about person A doesn't change the fact that they consented to a sexual act with person A.

People dupe others into consenting to sex all the time. As long as consent was granted it is not rape. Not doing your due diligence is not rape. Regret after the fact is not rape. Rape has a legal definition that has to do with non consent. IF person B says no, then person A forces a sex act on them then THEN it is rape.

IF you want to go by what a person decides is abhorrent and finds out after the fact then you open the doors to calling all kinds of situations rape. Lied about your income, religion, age, surgical modifications, social standing, past partner count, etc? Under what one may find abhorrent all of those could be considered rape after consent is given. Do you want to open that door?
None of those things compare to forcing a gay conversion on someone. That's initimate and part of someone's identity.
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Old 01-07-2022, 05:23 PM
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Stop encouraging these people with a serious mental illness that this crap is “normal”.
It’s not.
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Old 01-07-2022, 05:25 PM
 
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If it is of such great concern to a person that they would kill over it, they may want to make sure they know who they are consenting to receive a BJ from. Regret after finding out the truth doesn't invalidate the consent you gave before and while the act was happening
It's not regret. It's being tricked into sex that is against your sexual orientation.
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Old 01-07-2022, 05:27 PM
 
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Do you believe that any other deception used to gain consent should also be considered rape?
Lying about gender to gain sex should be considered rape.
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Old 01-07-2022, 05:28 PM
 
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Deceiving to gain consent is deceiving to gain consent. Some people may consider being deceived by surgical augmentation to be just as bad as you find deception about birth sex. Some may find religious beliefs, social standing, wealth, marital status, etc just as bad. That's the point, either deception to gain consent is illegal in all cases or it isn't. You don't get to decide which deception matters to someone else.
And trans people don't get to decide that it's okay to have sex with someone of the same sex without disclosing.
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Old 01-07-2022, 05:30 PM
 
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Not sure it's rape, but it is something.


A transgender M-F getting someone drunk or drugged and having sex is rape


Finding out that you had a BJ from a woman claiming to be a man is poor taste
Used to happen a lot near the Lincoln Tunnel approaches on the Manhattan side. I worked near there and knew cops who worked the tunnel.

The prostitutes in that area were almost always men, but a lot of men from Jersey who didn't know that would let one in the car for a quick BJ before going home to the wife and kids in the burbs.

Every so often the cops would see a man throw a woman who wasn't a woman out of his car into the road. They'd pull him over, and he'd have to admit he'd just discovered a man performed a sexual act on him.

I would not say it's rape, and I am not sure if it is even criminal, just a risk one assumes by participating in a sexual act with someone you clearly don't know much about.

Perhaps "show me in advance" will have to become part of the mating ritual.
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Old 01-07-2022, 05:33 PM
 
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Used to happen a lot near the Lincoln Tunnel approaches on the Manhattan side. I worked near there and knew cops who worked the tunnel.

The prostitutes in that area were almost always men, but a lot of men from Jersey who didn't know that would let one in the car for a quick BJ before going home to the wife and kids in the burbs.

Every so often the cops would see a man throw a woman who wasn't a woman out of his car into the road. They'd pull him over, and he'd have to admit he'd just discovered a man performed a sexual act on him.

I would not say it's rape, and I am not sure if it is even criminal, just a risk one assumes by participating in a sexual act with someone you clearly don't know much about.

Perhaps "show me in advance" will have to become part of the mating ritual.
No. That's rape. Transgenders KNOW that most men do not want sex with the same sex. That's the point of them looking like the opposite sex.
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Old 01-07-2022, 05:37 PM
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No. That's rape. Transgenders KNOW that most men do not want sex with the same sex. That's the point of them looking like the opposite sex.
No way. It’s 2022. Most men want a hot girl with a penis
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Old 01-07-2022, 06:34 PM
 
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No. That's rape. Transgenders KNOW that most men do not want sex with the same sex. That's the point of them looking like the opposite sex.
I bet half of them knew and didn't care anyway.

But rape is forcible sex. This isn't rape. No one was forced to participate.

At any rate, in the case of prostitution, it is a business transaction, however illegal it may be. It is misrepresentation.

Perhaps contractual damages can be brought in civil court.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:27 AM
 
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Not guilty, he's free.


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