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Old 06-13-2021, 09:40 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Its funny when something is in conflict with the narrative "everyone must be vaccinated", its "we just dont know enough yet"
but when promoting the narrative, all potential negatives are waved away or dismissed
That's false, and it's not funny. Most of the negatives that are being raised by the anti-vaxxers are decidedly on the dodgy side, so they can be rationally waved away or dismissed.
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:41 AM
 
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Right, but it's a standardized dose so they are better able to measure it and figure out whether a booster shot is needed. With the normal immune response, it's more random.
For all other viruses, natural immunity is at least as good but usually superior to vaccine induced immunity so I don’t know why we are even playing this game and pretending that natural immunity isn’t good enough.
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:42 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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For all other viruses, natural immunity is at least as good but usually superior to vaccine induced immunity so I don’t know why we are even playing this game and pretending that natural immunity isn’t good enough.
That isn't true for every virus, and this isn't a game.

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What will determine our future with the virus is how long protective immunity lasts. For severe coronaviruses like MERS and the original SARS, it persists for at least a couple of years. For the milder coronaviruses that cause common colds, it disappears within a year. It’s reasonable to guess that the duration of immunity against SARS-CoV-2 lies within those extremes, and that it would vary a lot, much like everything else about this virus. “Everyone wants to know,” says Nina Le Bert from the Duke-NUS in Singapore. “We don’t have the answer.”
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:44 AM
 
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That isn't true for every virus, and this isn't a game.
Which viruses are your referring to where natural immunity is inferior to vaccine induced immunity?
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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They don’t know how long the vaccine will protect either.
Correct, which is why I fully support people not getting the vaccine who have had it until we know:

1. How long immunity from natural infection lasts.

2. How long immunity from each of the different vaccines lasts.

It will be a while longer before we know those facts.
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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For all other viruses, natural immunity is at least as good but usually superior to vaccine induced immunity so I don’t know why we are even playing this game and pretending that natural immunity isn’t good enough.
As a child, I had both red measles, German measles, chicken pox, and mumps. Still the MMR was required before attending medical school.

Those who refuse the COVID vaccination can expect denial of entry into many colleges and jobs. Their choice not to be vaccinated just as it is the choice of colleges and employers not to accept them.

End of story.
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:51 AM
 
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As a child, I had both red measles, German measles, chicken pox, and mumps. Still the MMR was required before attending medical school.

Those who refuse the COVID vaccination can expect denial of entry into many colleges and jobs. Their choice not to be vaccinated just as it is the choice of colleges and employers not to accept them.

End of story.
nope; intentional violations, protests, lawsuits,etc., all to follow
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:52 AM
 
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As a child, I had both red measles, German measles, chicken pox, and mumps. Still the MMR was required before attending medical school.

Those who refuse the COVID vaccination can expect denial of entry into many colleges and jobs. Their choice not to be vaccinated just as it is the choice of colleges and employers not to accept them.

End of story.
The requirement for you to get the MMR vaccines in spite of having immunity was not science based.
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Which viruses are your referring to where natural immunity is inferior to vaccine induced immunity?
Maybe one can get immunity to small pox if they live through the suffering of it but they will be scarred for life.

No vaccine needed for those who’ve had COVID-19, Cleveland Clinic study says-smallpox.jpg
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Old 06-13-2021, 09:53 AM
 
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Maybe one can get immunity to small pox if they live but they will be scarred for life.

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