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Old 06-16-2021, 12:40 PM
 
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No, the point was that there is no effort to cover it up.
Go look up the thread on this forum titled Fox News Revealed as Tulsa Massacre Omitted

The OP made the point that Fox News had stories on the 100th anniversaries of Fenway Park and of Disneyland, but nothing on the Tulsa Massacre. Some of the replies:

FatLou: “Why is this anniversary a significant news item?”
Hbdwihdh378y9: “I would hope so since there was no "Tulsa massacre". The massacre is a recent fabrication of the fake news industry. It's a lie.”
Reubenray: “This was nothing but the media pushing the blm bs narrative more.”
Kracer: “The only reason it is getting attention is it supports the current socialists agenda of division by race and CRT.”
Listener2307: “You wanna learn about something that happened 100 years ago, try The History Channel……. I can't think of any reason it should be covered by any news channel, except to promote the White Man Bad narrative"

Just an example, but many people on the right seemed aggrieved that schoolchildren were being taught about the Tulsa Massacre on the 100th anniversary of the event. My point was that it is important to teach this sad piece of American history as well as the many good parts.
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Old 06-16-2021, 12:44 PM
 
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The problem is that conservatives are using CRT as a catch-all term to ban and censor anything they don’t like in American history, including teaching about slavery, for example.
Who is trying to ban teaching about slavery? I want names.

I'll wait.
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Old 06-16-2021, 12:47 PM
 
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We should create statues about critical race theory to educate people on our history. Republicans love statues.
So do 'crats.


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Old 06-16-2021, 12:50 PM
 
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Go look up the thread on this forum titled Fox News Revealed as Tulsa Massacre Omitted

The OP made the point that Fox News had stories on the 100th anniversaries of Fenway Park and of Disneyland, but nothing on the Tulsa Massacre. Some of the replies:

FatLou: “Why is this anniversary a significant news item?”
Hbdwihdh378y9: “I would hope so since there was no "Tulsa massacre". The massacre is a recent fabrication of the fake news industry. It's a lie.”
Reubenray: “This was nothing but the media pushing the blm bs narrative more.”
Kracer: “The only reason it is getting attention is it supports the current socialists agenda of division by race and CRT.”
Listener2307: “You wanna learn about something that happened 100 years ago, try The History Channel……. I can't think of any reason it should be covered by any news channel, except to promote the White Man Bad narrative"

Just an example, but many people on the right seemed aggrieved that schoolchildren were being taught about the Tulsa Massacre on the 100th anniversary of the event. My point was that it is important to teach this sad piece of American history as well as the many good parts.
Who is "aggrieved" that schoolchildren were being taught about the Tulsa riot? The quotes you posted above are discussing a news channel, not schools.
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Old 06-16-2021, 01:21 PM
 
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First thing is first. CRT is not communist. Communism is mainly the bougoussie vs prolatetiat or the workers. CRT has nothing to do with communism. In matter of fact CRT and communism are incompatible. But yes when society wants to undue and over throw culture. You will have book burnings, destruction of monuments other forms of iconoclasism and what language one is supposed to use. Nazis, communist, islamist and even Christians during the late stage Roman empire. What I find funny and interesting is that thr capitalist class of America supports and defends CRT and Antiracism ideology. Do you think capitalist want to support Bernie sanders? Lol hell no. Capitalist rather wave a BLM or lgbt flag vs waving a red flag with a symbol at its sides or its core.
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Conservatives make points by charging that affirmative action gives jobs or places in academic pro- grams to individuals who do not deserve them. The public receives incompetent service, while better-qualified workers or students are shunted aside. This argument resonated with certain liberals who equate fairness with color blindness and equal opportunity, rather than equal results.
https://uniteyouthdublin.files.wordp...okfi-org-1.pdf

So they want to change the current white supremacist capitalist system with representative democracy with what exactly? Feudalism? Kings and Tyrants? An agrarian society? Caves?

Marxism = the conditions made ripe by previous institution to progress to the next part of the continuum on the way to its final and complete perfection of communism. Capitalism “evolves” into socialism because of the inequitable distribution of material resources. Socialism becomes the new religion and takes over all aspects of the global economy whereby, one day, magically, the system notices that it is redundant and just does away with itself leaving a utopian society by, for and of the people with no need for governments or institutions. History is perfected. In fact the system has been so perfected there’s no need for history anymore. There’s no need to look back on the primitive tragic times we had to go through to get to “nowhere” (the literal meaning of Utopia).

It’s as much communist as it is socialist and Marxist neo or otherwise. That stage of the beautiful butterfly we haven’t been able to experience yet…

The real question is if they are trying to get rid of domination and dominance structures along with hierarchies how do they plan on doing that when hierarchies and domination are a fundamental fact of the universe. There’s even an economy of difference in atoms and molecules. So how do they plan on removing that from any structure they come up with themselves? Much less how do they cast off the desire to dominate from themselves before they do us all a solid?

Don’t let the virus (what some of them have referred to themselves as) in:

https://newdiscourses.com/2021/06/vi...ocial-justice/

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Old 06-16-2021, 01:30 PM
 
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Last thing is this. CRT maintains the capitalist bougoussie. It does not overthrow it. Yes crt does say capitalism is racist. But it does nothing to remove capitalism unlike mainline othrodox Marxism which does. Yet many of the bougoussie follow woke ideology. Plenty of these folks who do defund or abolish the police do not live in high crime black areas. And prefer to live amongst whites who think like them or other intellectuals.
Do you believe that because you haven’t heard them speaking about the economic system yet? Or maybe you’ve come to that conclusion by some other means?
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Old 06-16-2021, 02:53 PM
 
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The problem is that there are so many possibilities -- or perhaps many entities are combining forces -- that it is like when one first delves into the JFK assassination -- just too many possibilities that might or might not be credible.
A group of older white males from Germany who are Marxist create an institution to study the failed predicted Marxist revolutions and why only backwards peasant Russia ended with a revolution. The main aim was to figure out why it didn’t even make any real headway in the West. Hitler comes to power and abolished the Frankfurt Institute. It’s members spread out around the world with two of the more famous thinkers moving to America. The key figure in this exchange is Herbert Marcuse who goes on eventually to Columbia University. Marcuse pens many things but among the most famous is Eros and Civilization, One Dimensional Man and Repressive Tolerance. All have the same theme of all of us having a false consciousness that doesn’t allow us to see how our masters treat us as slaves and how they only give us enough to pacify us. Marcuse becomes a rockstar in the radical movements of the 60’s. In fact one of his students was Angela Davis who gives us continuity into how an old German Jewish man is linked to black liberation movements. Marcuse is Davis’ doctoral thesis advisor and Davis goes off to visit the reconstituted-after-the-war Frankfurt Institute.

At around the same time Pete Buttigieg‘a father translates Antonio Gramsci’s Prison Notebooks which spell out in fairly detailed manners ways in which the west could be overcome via subverting the institutional hegemony that creates a defense on turbulent times. IOWs a way to weaken an enemy before you move in for the kill so as to shore up victory. He called this a war of position and a war of maneuver. The war of position is what we know now as Cultural Marxism. The oppressed are being oppressed because of class. Their entire identity is being oppressed.

Over at Harvard the first black tenured professor, Derrick Bell and others, have “synthesized” Critical Legal Studies which becomes CRT. It rips through law at the time and makes an impact but comes up against the constitution’s colorblind clauses. Affirmative action is struck down. Meanwhile, Bell and some other thinkers in that radical circle were thinking about how to carry through CLS into the broader society since they had hit somewhat of a wall on that path. You have to remember all these theories are based on Marx’s idea of theory in practice, praxis. So these thinkers come up with race as the them and Kimberley Crenshaw coins the term Critical Race Theory. It comes under immediate fire for its tactics like storytelling, its arguments about structural and systemic racism, etc. Needless to say Critical Race Theory is storming through the halls of Harvard Law School. Obama enters Harvard Law in 1988 and leaves the same year Derrick Bell leaves in 1991. I haven’t found direct confirmation of Obama working directly with Bell other than a video on PBS of Obama introducing Bell at an award ceremony of some type. It’s easy to find if you use “PBS Obama Bell” in the search engine. They knew each other no doubt and Obama was certainly familiar with CRT.

On April 4th 2011 the Obama administration issues a “dear colleague” letter to all institutions receiving federal funding that they must have a Civil Rights coordinator and that they would no longer be able to use the high standard they were currently using in instances of accusations of sexual abuse and rape. They lowered the standard which cause cases to look like they were artificially inflated. Campus rape culture is born. Might luck is us to have a civil rights coordinator already in place to address the abuses and to provide trainings, siminars, critique of policies and hiring practices, etc. Effectively undermining any hierarchal structures within the institutions. The DIE programs are born to fix a problem that wasn’t there. Around the same time the Implicit Association Test comes out, at Harvard… Now there’s proof people are subconsciously biased, that 20 millisecond hesitation proves you’re a racist. Anyways…

The DIE programs are incredibly effective at silencing any critics as any attempt to question their authority is met with, “what, you don’t want to fix racism?” They’ve now morphed that into you can only be racist or anti-racist. You’re either with us or against us.

So chocolate is pouring in to the streets of Hersey, PA and people are running around all over the place trying to figure out where all the chocolate is coming from.

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Old 06-16-2021, 03:21 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The problem is that conservatives are using CRT as a catch-all term to ban and censor anything they don’t like in American history, including teaching about slavery, for example.
This opinion is based on what, extensive rectal spelunking?
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Old 06-16-2021, 03:35 PM
 
Location: New York City
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First thing is first. CRT is not communist. Communism is mainly the bougoussie vs prolatetiat or the workers. CRT has nothing to do with communism. In matter of fact CRT and communism are incompatible. But yes when society wants to undue and over throw culture. You will have book burnings, destruction of monuments other forms of iconoclasism and what language one is supposed to use. Nazis, communist, islamist and even Christians during the late stage Roman empire. What I find funny and interesting is that thr capitalist class of America supports and defends CRT and Antiracism ideology. Do you think capitalist want to support Bernie sanders? Lol hell no. Capitalist rather wave a BLM or lgbt flag vs waving a red flag with a symbol at its sides or its core.
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Last thing is this. CRT maintains the capitalist bougoussie. It does not overthrow it. Yes crt does say capitalism is racist. But it does nothing to remove capitalism unlike mainline othrodox Marxism which does. Yet many of the bougoussie follow woke ideology. Plenty of these folks who do defund or abolish the police do not live in high crime black areas. And prefer to live amongst whites who think like them or other intellectuals.

Incorrect, CRT is essentially communist in the sense that Communism was the first attempt to put into practical use the Hegelian Dialectic synthesized ideas of Karl Marx. The economic Marxism failed, and all the activists shifted gears according to the writings of Antonio Gramsci who stated that the reason it failed was cultural hegemony of the West and that the major cultural institutions needed to be subverted.

Ever since then, the Marxists have been chipping away in colleges. Critical Theory came out of the Frankfurt school that moved to the United States and is 100% A NEO-MARXIST concept. Just like Marx stated, the point of "Theory is not to understand the world, but instead change it". This right here is the bulk of critical theories, you start with the conclusion you want, then in a Dialectical fashion move forward to criticize everything about society that falls short and then go out and raise hell to change it by destroying what exists.

It is also Marxist in that it teaches that you are not an individual like we learned in the enlightenment. You are actually in an identity group, and other groups are oppressing you. It pisses on everything we built since the dark ages
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Old 06-16-2021, 06:18 PM
 
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if i THOUGHT they were teaching racism i would be upset


Critical race theory reveals how race has been used as a tool to create and exert power in ways that affects everyone – of all races – economically and politically.
The real problem with critical race theory is that it exposes those who have used race as a tool for their own political and economic gain.

You need THINK harder, then. They are teaching racism.
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