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Old 06-16-2021, 08:04 AM
 
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Give our discussions of history and how it relates to prejudice, isn’t this a surreal example of a disconnect:

Just weeks before Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation, Grant gave 24 hours’ notice to Jews - who had done no harm and were not a threat to the U.S. - in Mississippi, Tennessee, and Kentucky to vacate their homes and leave the territories. So, IOW, the North recognized the wrong in bigotry and slavery, but its key general treated Jews like an enemy class. Fortunately, Lincoln stepped in and halted the order.

https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/201...nt-expels-jews

 
Old 06-16-2021, 08:14 AM
 
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Give our discussions of history and how it relates to prejudice, isn’t this a surreal example of a disconnect:

Just weeks before Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation, Grant gave 24 hours’ notice to Jews - who had done no harm and were not a threat to the U.S. - in Mississippi, Tennessee, and Kentucky to vacate their homes and leave the territories. So, IOW, the North recognized the wrong in bigotry and slavery, but its key general treated Jews like an enemy class. Fortunately, Lincoln stepped in and halted the order.

https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/201...nt-expels-jews

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But it turns out the whole story is a lot more complicated than that. The narrative asserted in a new book suggests that the event eventually lead to important advances for Jews worldwide, and a personal redemption for Grant.
So there's more to the story?
 
Old 06-16-2021, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Give our discussions of history and how it relates to prejudice, isn’t this a surreal example of a disconnect:

Just weeks before Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation, Grant gave 24 hours’ notice to Jews - who had done no harm and were not a threat to the U.S. - in Mississippi, Tennessee, and Kentucky to vacate their homes and leave the territories. So, IOW, the North recognized the wrong in bigotry and slavery, but its key general treated Jews like an enemy class. Fortunately, Lincoln stepped in and halted the order.

https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/201...nt-expels-jews
That is terrible -- and why isn't THIS being discussed in classrooms?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...elled-the-jews

The second review down by Elaine gives an excellent summation. I am now going to see if I can find a used copy of the book to order.
 
Old 06-16-2021, 08:21 AM
 
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The discriminatory order was quickly squelched, but the general never forgot it. In fact, he spent a lifetime trying to atone for it. When he was running for president in 1868, he confessed that the order “was issued and sent without any reflection and without thinking.” In office, he named more Jews to public office than ever before, and promoted the human rights of Jewish people abroad, protesting pogroms in Romania and sending a Jewish diplomat to object.

“During his administration,” writes historian Jonathan D. Sarna, “Jews moved from outsider to insider status in the United States, and from weakness to strength.” But though Grant did what he could to atone for his discriminatory order, he doubtless contributed to the anti-Semitism of the 19th century.
https://www.history.com/news/ulysses...jews-civil-war
 
Old 06-16-2021, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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That is terrible -- and why isn't THIS being discussed in classrooms?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...elled-the-jews

The second review down by Elaine gives an excellent summation. I am now going to see if I can find a used copy of the book to order.
Did it really destroy you as a person to have found out about this now as opposed to having been taught it in school?
 
Old 06-16-2021, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Did it really destroy you as a person to have found out about this now as opposed to having been taught it in school?
Of course not. But it does show where the liberal priorities are when it comes to education and which oppressed classes they think are worth fighting for and which aren't.
 
Old 06-16-2021, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Of course not. But it does show where the liberal priorities are when it comes to education and which oppressed classes they think are worth fighting for and which aren't.
Oh, I misjudged your comment.
 
Old 06-16-2021, 08:46 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Hey, did you know that the reign of Louis the Pious as emperor of the Carolingian Empire was unexpected?






Yeah, sure enough... and it has about the same amount of relevance to today, as well.
 
Old 06-16-2021, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Hey, did you know that the reign of Louis the Pious as emperor of the Carolingian Empire was unexpected?






Yeah, sure enough... and it has about the same amount of relevance to today, as well.
That's the thing about history, it does tend to have happened in the past.
 
Old 06-16-2021, 09:19 AM
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That is terrible -- and why isn't THIS being discussed in classrooms?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...elled-the-jews

The second review down by Elaine gives an excellent summation. I am now going to see if I can find a used copy of the book to order.
Even that wasn't terribly flattering to the Jews.
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