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Old 06-17-2021, 06:12 PM
 
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The first deal Moses Austin had was with Spain.
Anybody who thought about it in 7th grade Texas history knew Moses and Stephen screwed Spain and Mexico. Forget the Alamo was delivered last week. It confirms my opinion that that war with Mexico was all about keeping slaves. Does anybody really believe that the slave owners in Texas had not heard about the Emancipation Proclamation for that long?
WTF does the Emancipation Proclamation have to do with Texas independence and the Alamo?
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Old 06-17-2021, 06:28 PM
 
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There isn't an "end game." What was the end game to basically make up imaginary "facts" about the Alamo, or *pick your subject* and then amplify them and then memorialize them for so long, despite the actual historical record being there for everyone to see?

What are you afraid of?
Nobody made up imaginary facts about the Alamo. Just because you are just learning it doesn’t mean it’s new information.

I’m afraid of the push to make everyone hate each other over ancient history. No one has clean hands so there is no point.
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Old 06-17-2021, 07:29 PM
 
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Best way to learn about the beginning is to go to primary sources such as this:

https://www.glo.texas.gov/history/ar...blic-lands.pdf
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Old 06-17-2021, 07:54 PM
 
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WTF does the Emancipation Proclamation have to do with Texas independence and the Alamo?
The Emancipation Proclamation occurred almost 30 years AFTER the battle st the Slamo & Texas Independence.
That should answer the question. Time Lines Matter.
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Old 06-17-2021, 08:03 PM
 
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Don't know anything about yahoo. But am reading 'Forget the Alamo'.
Good for you. I am referring to the OP's Yahoo article. What the thread is about. It replaces one slanted historical version with a different slanted version. Don't see how that is an improvement.



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I’m surprised the article didn’t mention, Slavery. As a lack of Slavery in Mexico was also a motivator for independence.
That is true. However, Mexico did for generations after the Texas Revolution have peasants that were tied to the land and held in servitude not legally able to leave or change occupations. They weren't "slaves," but economically they were exploited like slaves, while in other areas they had benefits slaves didn't have.
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Old 06-17-2021, 08:44 PM
 
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Good for you. I am referring to the OP's Yahoo article. What the thread is about. It replaces one slanted historical version with a different slanted version. Don't see how that is an improvement.





That is true. However, Mexico did for generations after the Texas Revolution have peasants that were tied to the land and held in servitude not legally able to leave or change occupations. They weren't "slaves," but economically they were exploited like slaves, while in other areas they had benefits slaves didn't have.
Moon, to understand Texas History, you need to know Mexico History. Slavery was not allowed in Mexico. Americans were immigrating to Texas and bringing Black Slaves, which was not allowed. It was a big part of the Texas Revolution long before the US Civil War. The Mexican peasants in .Texas Territory we’re about 7500;in number, they were Tejanos, many born in Texas, some immigrating to the Mexican .frontier. Many fought for Texas Independence. At the end of the day ….. people will fight for Freedom.
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Old 06-17-2021, 09:04 PM
 
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This should be common knowledge of it isn't.
Of course. That's why sane nations do not allow immigration.
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Old 06-17-2021, 09:09 PM
 
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Here's what wikipedia says...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alamo
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Old 06-17-2021, 09:12 PM
 
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Moon, to understand Texas History, you need to know Mexico History. Slavery was not allowed in Mexico. Americans were immigrating to Texas and bringing Black Slaves, which was not allowed. It was a big part of the Texas Revolution long before the US Civil War. The Mexican peasants in .Texas Territory we’re about 7500;in number, they were Tejanos, many born in Texas, some immigrating to the Mexican .frontier. Many fought for Texas Independence. At the end of the day ….. people will fight for Freedom.
I understand all of that. Texas' total population during the revolution was 35,000. 7,500 Mexican peasants in Texas held in servitude in a fashion economically similar to slavery was 21.4% of the Texas population.
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Old 06-17-2021, 09:22 PM
 
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Slavery was not a primary driver of the Texas Revolution. Santa Anna making himself dictator after overturning the constitution of a republic was. Texas was not the only part of Mexico to attempt independence in response to Santa Anna's actions. Texas was simply the only success story.
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