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Old 06-18-2021, 09:07 AM
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The concern is not that it is the "new normal".


The concern is that we are back to normal in the West.


Read this book on the climate history of California and the West over the past 10,000 years. The last hundred years appear to be much WETTER than the previous 10,000 years.


https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520...-without-water


Don't read gibberish in USA Today from journalists that have NEVER even taken ONE science class!!!
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Old 06-18-2021, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That is according to the following:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/7721768002/

If it does become the new normal, what do you think might be the result both in people moving elsewhere, and what other effects do you foresee, either politically or how that would affect U.S. society?



P.S. In related news, at least four states have ordered evacuations in some areas due to fires -- and it is only mid-June! https://weather.com/en-IN/india/envi...es-western-usa
Blame the La Niña and El Niño-Southern Oscillation weather event. Or is it La Nix now?? Either way, these weather events plague the West coast. Too bad science still does not know what causes it. But not knowing will not stop the man-made global warming, climate change crowd from blaming CO2, will it.
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Old 06-18-2021, 09:12 AM
 
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This happens every year. You should also look up the multi-year heat wave in the 1950's. My dad was a kid then and still talks about it, because nobody had air conditioning back then. I know all the young activists don't think weather happened before they were born, but it did, and it could be brutal even when there were far fewer people on the planet.
Your dad's feelings about the heat waves of his youth can't be used as evidence that there are more heat waves, longer heat waves and higher temperatures -- you know that right?

The weather people use the data from the first time they started tracking temperatures...the actual temperatures -- not their recollection of the weather in their youth.
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Old 06-18-2021, 11:43 AM
 
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Your dad's feelings about the heat waves of his youth can't be used as evidence that there are more heat waves, longer heat waves and higher temperatures -- you know that right?

The weather people use the data from the first time they started tracking temperatures...the actual temperatures -- not their recollection of the weather in their youth.

You don't have to take my Dad's word for it. They started tracking temps in the 1880's-1890's as I recall. The weather data for the 1950's is out there.



https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/jo...10-05002_1.xml
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Old 06-18-2021, 11:44 AM
 
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Meanwhile in coastal California it is 75 while the inland areas of SoCal are in the 100s. They always have articles like this which half based truths and alternative facts.
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Old 06-18-2021, 12:12 PM
 
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If it does become the new normal,...
I cannot be the new normal. It is foreign to you only because you were not alive during the last Inter-Glacial Period to experience it.

I realize this is science so you'll deny it because it doesn't say what you wanna hear, but....

Palaeo data suggest that Greenland must have been largely ice free during Marine Isotope Stage 11 (MIS-11). The globally averaged MIS-11 sea level is estimated to have reached between 6–13 m above that of today.

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https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms16008

“Even though the warm Eemian period was a period when the oceans were four to eight meters higher than today, the ice sheet in northwest Greenland was only a few hundred meters lower than the current level, which indicates that the contribution from the Greenland ice sheet was less than half the total sea-level rise during that period,” says Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Professor at the Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, and leader of the NEEM-project.

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https://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/news/n...e-of-the-past/



Should sea levels rise another 3 meters, the only truthful statement you can make is that this Inter-Glacial Period was colder than the other 8 recorded Inter-Glacial Periods.


You might wanna ask yourself why soil core samples drilled in California show a history of wild-fires going back about 30,000 years.
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Old 06-18-2021, 12:14 PM
 
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I grew up out West. Every summer sees weeks of triple digits. Death Valley reaches 125-130 degrees and has for decades. Lol
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Old 06-18-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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Climate deniers are always entertaining: "it's always been hot" "this is nothing new" "inter-glacial period blah blah" "sunspot minimum blah blah"


In contrast to the City-Data pseudo-science posters, we have real scientists doing carefully controlled peer reviewed studies that show that in the western U.S. man-made climate change is causing longer, hotter and drier summers. Wildfire seasons now extend into December, something that was never heard of 50 years ago. Heat waves of 110 F have always occurred in the West but 50 years ago when they happened Lake Mead was full, now we have Lake Mead empty.


Who do I listen to: anonymous posters on C-D or real scientists using their real names on studies, standing behind them. I'll stick with science. Thanks.
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Old 06-18-2021, 12:39 PM
 
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Meanwhile in coastal California it is 75 while the inland areas of SoCal are in the 100s. They always have articles like this which half based truths and alternative facts.
The weather is much cooler in coastal So.
Cal due to ocean influence. The nightly low temperatures are getting warmer though which is a concern
Across the west with some areas feeling more like Palm Springs at night...was 101 degrees at 10 pm last night and a record high 123 degrees during the day.
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Old 06-18-2021, 12:52 PM
 
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Climate deniers are always entertaining: "it's always been hot" "this is nothing new" "inter-glacial period blah blah" "sunspot minimum blah blah"


In contrast to the City-Data pseudo-science posters, we have real scientists doing carefully controlled peer reviewed studies that show that in the western U.S. man-made climate change is causing longer, hotter and drier summers. Wildfire seasons now extend into December, something that was never heard of 50 years ago. Heat waves of 110 F have always occurred in the West but 50 years ago when they happened Lake Mead was full, now we have Lake Mead empty.


Who do I listen to: anonymous posters on C-D or real scientists using their real names on studies, standing behind them. I'll stick with science. Thanks.
Okay, enlighten us, what is earth climate normal temperature and weather supposed to be for California, Arizona, Wisconsin, New York, Florida etc... and when was this pristine era?


I know, sometime in the 1800s, during the Little Ice Age, that is what many of you AGW enthusiasts believe earth normal was, and the planet was supposed to somehow lock those cooler conditions into place and never deviate too much from that, for the rest of time.
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