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Old 06-23-2021, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by green_mariner View Post
I don't know about exploit, but it's been an issue for nearly a century. No one paid attention back in the 1930s. As long as Black people stayed on their side of the tracks, no one cared, other than Black people. As long as it wasn't affecting anyone else, no one cared.
And? So? Nothing you said in your post has meaning.

The problem then wasn't nearly as bad as today. The inability to see that truth while deflecting is telling.

 
Old 06-23-2021, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Yep, I remember it well. Black women could only get benefits if there were no husband/partner in the picture.
That’s correct, the lowest taxes and highest income only happen when the father is out the house. A single mother can earn more than 2 parent low income households.

Demcorats are financially incentivizing broken houses and promiscuity of all races, it just happens to hurt blacks the most.

You must teach a man to fish, you don’t give him the fish.
 
Old 06-23-2021, 02:11 PM
 
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You just brought something up that no one else is mentioning. There are fathers out there who are trying to be in their children's lives. In some cases, the mother makes it really hard for the father to be there. Why? The mother is mad at her ex. This is an issue cutting off welfare won't solve. You have issues where the mother is vindictive. The numbers tell you how many Black children live only with their mothers. It doesn't say how many have their fathers in their lives vs never seeing their fathers. It doesn't take into account how many children truly have deadbeats for fathers. It doesn't take into account how many fathers are trying to be there, but a vindictive mother will fight against it.
Maaaaaaan...ain’t this the truth. Seen it a million times.
 
Old 06-23-2021, 02:20 PM
 
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Maaaaaaan...ain’t this the truth. Seen it a million times.
Alot of people keep claiming that getting rid of welfare would solve the problem. Knowing that we both know regarding how many men and women behave, regardless of welfare, I don't think this is the case. There are some legitimately lazy people out there. On the other hand, when "I don't need a man" mentality is strong, when there are women who will do men dirty, and vice versa, this contributes to children being raised without their fathers around. Many will claim welfare took men out of the home. Why where there women choosing welfare over their men? And why are there women today who will literally send a man to jail over a late child support payment, but will keep said father away from his children?
 
Old 06-23-2021, 02:23 PM
 
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I’m a married Black father of 2 children. That myth was let go a long time ago.
 
Old 06-23-2021, 02:36 PM
 
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I’m a married Black father of 2 children. That myth was let go a long time ago.
My father has been married to my mother for the past 36 years. I was born IN WEDLOCK. I've never had to worry about an absent father, because he's always been there. The only reason I even know about "absentee Black fathers" is because of everything being posted about it here on city-data, when I first stumbled here in 2007.
 
Old 06-23-2021, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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So it's not like we didn't see this coming, and it's almost like someone decided to take advantage and exploit that for their own gain

Black babies born to unwedded mothers was a whopping 27% in 1944. That is the "high" rate Moynahan was warning about, and indeed it was a high rate. It was 5% for white women.

Today 80% of black babies are to unwedded mothers. Just a LITTLE BIT higher, I would say.

In 1944 it was a problem. Today, it is a calamity.


Census source:

https://www.census.gov/prod/99pubs/p23-197.pdf
 
Old 06-23-2021, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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We've known it for a long time too.

70% of juveniles in state operated institutions have no father. [U.S. Department of Justice, Special Report, Sept. 1988]

85% of youths in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. [Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Department of Corrections, 1992]

Research and Statistics — Rochester Area Fatherhood Network
It is indisputable. Some refuse to accept that, but it is indisputable how damaged children are generally without a father. Indisputable.
 
Old 06-23-2021, 03:50 PM
 
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No one is disputing the importance of having BOTH father and mother in the home. I've said that it's importance. I disagree with the idea that cutting off welfare would solve the whole problem. There are other problems going on that should be looked at. I've brought up how many people are just selfish and are either..
1) Set on proving they "don't need a man".
2) Being vindictive towards the ex.
3) Individuals who just don't care about their children or their spouse.
 
Old 06-23-2021, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Not necessarily. There are many single mothers who have jobs. Many of those women are used to making it without a man. Some purposely keep the man out of the home. It's not as simple as you think it is. I know several single mothers. ALL of them have jobs.

The "collapse of socialism" won't do that. We have alot of selfishness going on. This is a moral issue and cutting off welfare won't do much good.
This is all true, and it all sounds reasonable.

The ? becomes - beyond "anecdotes" - how many of the single-parent households have multiple children because they "don't need a man", how many of them - counting the # in the household - rely on public assistance (ie, DO need somebody to financially support), how many of those children are doing average or better in school, etc etc etc.
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