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Old 06-24-2021, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Why SHOULDN’T it go to the top 500 performers?
Well it depends what kind of a school they want I suppose.

The new standards basically tell the prospective students: maintain a 3.5 GPA and you have a chance to go to this good school.

The previous standards basically said: if you don’t come from a high earning two parent home that can afford unlimited time and money on your education, then you don’t have much of a chance to get in here.

Some people would clearly prefer the second one but it’s up to the school to decide.

 
Old 06-24-2021, 05:03 PM
 
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Well it depends what kind of a school they want I suppose.

The new standards basically tell the prospective students: maintain a 3.5 GPA and you have a chance to go to this good school.

The previous standards basically said: if you don’t come from a high earning two parent home that can afford unlimited time and money on your education, then you don’t have much of a chance to get in here.

Some people would clearly prefer the second one but it’s up to the school to decide.
That’s not what the previous standards said. They said “this is the most competitive, demanding, and prestigious school in the county, and slots will go to the best and brightest 500 students regardless of race.”

And please stop with your resentment toward wealthy parents, with your assumption that poor students don’t get in. My uncle, growing up in poverty, got into the Brooklyn High School of Science (or whatever the name was), because he was SMART and beat out kids from more middle class neighborhoods.
 
Old 06-24-2021, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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By the time of High School, it's late. If they really want to give all kids a chance, they need to start younger, in elementary school. The goal should be for students to learn, not just get in somewhere.

They're going to have to put the top 100 students in separate classrooms. And the 400 lottery winners can just do whatever and hope to win the college admissions lottery.
 
Old 06-24-2021, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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That’s not what the previous standards said. They said “this is the most competitive, demanding, and prestigious school in the county, and slots will go to the best and brightest 500 students regardless of race.”

And please stop with your resentment toward wealthy parents, with your assumption that poor students don’t get in. My uncle, growing up in poverty, got into the Brooklyn High School of Science (or whatever the name was), because he was SMART and beat out kids from more middle class neighborhoods.
Brooklyn Tech, and my daughter got in as well. We were dirt poor. Couldn’t afford test prep.
 
Old 06-24-2021, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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By the time of High School, it's late. If they really want to give all kids a chance, they need to start younger, in elementary school. The goal should be for students to learn, not just get in somewhere.

They're going to have to put the top 100 students in separate classrooms. And the 400 lottery winners can just do whatever and hope to win the college admissions lottery.
No that’s false, you’re assuming the 400 are by definition not going to do as well. Plenty of studies have shown that when you take average performing students and put them in better schools (better environment) they tend to do better. This is one of the rationales behind charter schools.
 
Old 06-24-2021, 05:11 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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That’s not what the previous standards said. They said “this is the most competitive, demanding, and prestigious school in the county, and slots will go to the best and brightest 500 students regardless of race.”

And please stop with your resentment toward wealthy parents, with your assumption that poor students don’t get in. My uncle, growing up in poverty, got into the Brooklyn High School of Science (or whatever the name was), because he was SMART and beat out kids from more middle class neighborhoods.
That's just the typical Liberal/Progressive racism that's on display on a daily basis: all Blacks live in poverty, all Blacks live in the ghetto and go to poor schools, all Blacks are so poor they can't afford a car (saw that yesterday), all Blacks can't use the internet, can't get to a MVA office for an ID, and so on and on.

The tragedy of the above is that I taught some very middle class/upper middle class Black kids (think high GS number parents, high ranking military, high ranking police agencies, lawyers, doctors, elected officials) in my career who believed it and lived down to those expectations.
 
Old 06-24-2021, 05:12 PM
 
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Brooklyn Tech, and my daughter got in as well. We were dirt poor. Couldn’t afford test prep.
Thank you.....the exact name escaped me.

Leftists push the narrative that poor people can’t excel, and need an “adjustment” in admissions standards to overcome their lack of money. When poor people get in, it kills their insistence on blaming lack of achievement on lack of money.

(And congrats on your daughter, too. Clearly, brains run in your family.)
 
Old 06-24-2021, 05:12 PM
 
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boo effing hoo
 
Old 06-24-2021, 05:14 PM
 
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No that’s false, you’re assuming the 400 are by definition not going to do as well. Plenty of studies have shown that when you take average performing students and put them in better schools (better environment) they tend to do better. This is one of the rationales behind charter schools.
Yes, but the top students don’t do as well as they otherwise could. The unfortunate thing, with liberals, is that they put the best interests of the average students ahead of the better students. With our country falling further and further behind, we should be doing everything to nurture the best and brightest to achieve their highest potential.
 
Old 06-24-2021, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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No that’s false, you’re assuming the 400 are by definition not going to do as well. Plenty of studies have shown that when you take average performing students and put them in better schools (better environment) they tend to do better. This is one of the rationales behind charter schools.
That has not been my experience teaching students with deficiencies in their background. Students can do better, some much better, but they cannot be expected to do the near impossible. We are not talking about IQ here, we are talking about things already learned, or not.

You take someone who is already a lap behind the fastest runner, and you want him to miraculously make up that lap and win? Only in Hollywood movies. Sure, all you have to do is believe, wish upon a star, everybody is special, ...
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