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Originally Posted by bertwrench
Why is it baffling? This was common practice around the world. Everyone throughout various time in history has done atrocious stuff. Thankfully, we live in a world today where we have become more civilized and most countries know better. Even the natives themselves did horrible things to each other. This is why nobody owes anything to anyone for past atrocities. It was less civilized times. We should al be thankful that we live today instead of past millennia.
I'm a student of history.
It's baffling to me, the practices that we had in 1800's and first half of 1900's that we thought were HELPING people. Taking children away from mothers at birth because they were poor and giving them to wealthy childless families, sticking people in the poor houses for their lives because they were in debt, putting insane people in ice baths, whipping children with switches, shaming people of mixed race or who come from unwed mothers, warehousing children born with disabilities, using orphans for dangerous jobs like the Pony Express because no one would care if they died, on and on.
It's absolutely baffling to me, that people in general couldn't see how cruel these practices were, and thought these were a positive. The right way to go about things.
So that begs the question. What will WE be judged for, in 100 years? What will people shake their heads and say "how could they"? I'm thinking it's the way we treat agricultural animals.
I get your point, but you are looking at it through today’s lense. We may very well be judged by future generations who will have a different lense. We all live in our own time within our reality.
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I get your point, but you are looking at it through today’s lense. We may very well be judged by future generations who will have a different lense. We all live in our own time within our reality.
We will be judged by future generations, who will be more enlightened and knowledgable than we are.
No BruSan the government didn't allow this atrocity, they initiated it.
That distinction belongs to a figure that many Canadians hold in much higher regard: John A. Macdonald. Indeed, Macdonald, as Canada's founding prime minister, played the instrumental role of initiating, supporting, and defending the residential school system in the late 19th century.
This. They used the church as contractors for their policy. And probably got more than a complaint or question they did nothing about/ignored.
What's stunning the last school was closed in the 1990s. the peak use occured around or in the 1950s.
If any government official or school staff is still alive they need to be questioned intensely in a detective's office. If they have to be wheeled in with an o2 tank in tow so bit it.
That is some of what typically happens to conquered people. Decades later, after the perpetrators are long dead and the profits are laundered and spent, the remorse and hand wringing can begin.
That is some of what typically happens to conquered people. Decades later, after the perpetrators are long dead and the profits are laundered and spent, the remorse and hand wringing can begin.
The last residential school closed in the 1990's. I had a nun as a teacher in the 1960s who taught in a residential school. We heard nothing of the realities at the time, and it was decades later that I found out the horrors those children went through. I know some of the survivors.
There is a tendency to leap to the conclusion that these kids were "murdered" when we don't know any of that yet. Their culture was murdered. Some people who went through the Indian boarding school experience say they benefited from it while others had one horrific experience after another. The practice of forcibly removing these kids to boarding schools was common and certainly awful by our standards today. The Indian Schools continued well into my lifetime. Back in the day the living conditions were poor, kids had poor immune systems, and TB was a huge killer that stalked the schools. We should have known that (and maybe we did). There was a different perspective back then as displayed in an 1899 image from Harpers magazine:
Why is it baffling? This was common practice around the world. Everyone throughout various time in history has done atrocious stuff. Thankfully, we live in a world today where we have become more civilized and most countries know better. Even the natives themselves did horrible things to each other. This is why nobody owes anything to anyone for past atrocities. It was less civilized times. We should al be thankful that we live today instead of past millennia.
yet, we still continue committing atrocities abroad.
or is that ok because it's not happening to americans?
I'm not sure of that. I went to a Catholic school, and one of the nuns actually had taught at one of those residential schools some 14 years earlier. We heard nothing of the horrors, and we had classmates whose parents were native or had Metis heritage. We truly didn't know, and there was also an Anglican residential school not far away.
I am so very sickened by this the more I learn.
The actual policy that premise was horrific, taking kids from their families, give them to white families. We did the same here.
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