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Old 06-30-2021, 08:14 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Arya Stark View Post
I think things have gotten completely out of control. We should have had regular constitutional conventions where things were amended and changed. It wasn't meant to be like the 10 commandments.
Do have any idea what that would be like in the political climate we have now? It would be civil war.

 
Old 06-30-2021, 08:15 AM
 
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Disingenuous argument. Privateers had cannon and warships. They no longer exist. Mainly because military and law enforcement are well armed and plentiful.
The Cannon thing belongs totally to President JoeBama. He claimed on Video Tape that the words oin the Constitution say Citizen cannot own a Cannon. Looks like he has Never read the Bill of Rights. He sure doesn’t understand what he swore an Oath to follow and protect.

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If they were godlike beings there would be no amendment process. They were men. Perhaps greater men than the current generation is capable of producing, which may or may not be true of preceding and succeeding generations. Amending the Constitution is possible but difficult. Difficult enough that we should be able to stop this current dogmatically corrupt generation from accomplishing it.
Amendments are easy, but not necessarily fast. It’s all right there in the Constitution.

Congress passes a Bill for an Amendment. The CongressCritters ALL have to go on the Record with their Vote.
Then it goes to the States for a Vote. The REAL problem is that the Cowardly CongressCritters DO NOT want to go on the Record with their Votes.

Can’t blame them for that really …. Citizens would know and History would record the names of all those who wanted to shred our Freedoms for their own Political Power and Agenda.
 
Old 06-30-2021, 09:00 AM
 
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The way you phrased the question and presented "both" sides the answer should be obvious. Absolutely not. As what you are basically saying is that ideas that would be considered more "Conservative" no longer have a place and we need a more "Liberal" Constitution so that everyone can just get along.

Well, this document worked well for over 200 years, and other than perhaps having people getting a refresher in its meaning it doesn't need to be changed.



I am sure in the "Oh can't we all just get along" world..it makes total sense to clarify something that doesn't really need clarification. But since you feel the left and right can't agree, how exactly do you think there would be any agreement on any sort of clarification? Perhaps you think it may take a neutral Country to help us clarify our Constitution...Canada? Mexico? How about Iran or China?
This. /thread.
 
Old 06-30-2021, 09:02 AM
 
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The Constitution wasn't written to limit our rights. It was written to limit the authority of the government to protecting our rights to life, liberty and property. That's it.
We are a Republic /Federation of States, with most Rights going to the States a d Citizens of those States.
Limits on the Federal Government to Protect the .Freedoms and Rights of ALL Citizens.

Ninth Amendment
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[/b]
 
Old 06-30-2021, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Two comments on this.

First, nobody views them as "god like beings." That's YOUR language. It's a subconscious (or conscious?) attempt to discredit what people think and believe, so you don't have to consider what they're saying.

People revere them because they crafted the most brilliant political document in the history of the world. They were extremely well learned about philosophy and human nature. They stood up to the most powerful military in the world at the time and created a system of governance that didn't concentrate power into the hands of a few.

Those things are huge, and if you can't understand the significance of them, that's your own problem. Denigrating people who do understand only serves to demonstrate your ignorance.

Second, they didn't "know the future," and nobody has ever claimed otherwise. Again, you're discrediting them to yourself only, so you don't have to deal with the truth.

What they did was devise a system based on principles, not power. They understood much better than you do that societies change over time, and they included a process by which the government structure could be modified, as necessary, to address those changes, without disturbing the underlying principles.

What the Left wants to do is discard the principles our country was founded on - individual liberty being foremost among them - and "fundamentally transform" the United States of America.
I don't think that you could have stated it any better!!!
 
Old 07-01-2021, 04:46 AM
 
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CommunistCore "education" -- remedial reading class.
And isn't it funny how so many on the left, some on here always claim to be the "highly educated" yet time after time show how ignorant they really are. And WE are the UN-edicated.

Last edited by Quick Enough; 07-01-2021 at 05:29 AM..
 
Old 07-01-2021, 05:20 AM
 
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Disingenuous argument. Privateers had cannon and warships. They no longer exist. Mainly because military and law enforcement are well armed and plentiful.
"Disingenuous argument" Ignorant claim.

"Privateers had cannon and warships. They no longer exist."

Cannons sure as hell DO exist. And they are workable.

Some colleges even fire them at football games.

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Old 07-01-2021, 07:05 AM
 
Location: USA
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Ultimately, the constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper. The fundamental problem is our collective delusion that sees the constitution as infallible truth.
 
Old 07-01-2021, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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And isn't it funny how so many on the left, some on here always claim to be the "highly educated" yet time after time show how ignorant they really are. And WE are the UN-edicated.
Education is simply the absorption of information. People who've spent virtually their entire lives doing that in a structured environment will naturally believe that it's the only way or the correct way to do it. They don't understand that life itself is the "school," and that building they go to so they can hear people tell them things is just a building with some people. They respect pieces of paper, not people. Don't have the right piece of paper with your name on it? You're obviously stupid and don't know what you're talking about. Their entire perspective is a facade. They've been sold a world view (for quite a lot of money) which isn't actually a view of the world.
 
Old 07-01-2021, 07:35 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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People who've spent virtually their entire lives doing that in a structured environment will naturally believe that it's the only way or the correct way to do it.
It's not too different than Republicans believing the social structure of the Christian church is the ONLY correct way to experience life and any other way of living should not be tolerated.
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