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Old 07-07-2021, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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That is statistically impossible according to all of the posts here.
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Old 07-07-2021, 09:45 AM
 
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Commorbidities still a factor as well?
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Old 07-07-2021, 04:53 PM
 
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Maybe you should have looked at the actual study rather than "yahoo news." Table 9 on page 39 shows a second shot of vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalization from the Delta variant.


Yahoo is just the messenger, the reporters there are looking at the very same study your quoting so you're not putting out anything new. In fact all you're doing is cherry picking the parts of the study you want to see and ignoring the main finding in one of the other tables--that most of the UK deaths from delta COVID19 have been vaccinated, either partly or fully (the biggest group of deaths actually). Maybe the vaccine has helped to cut down on hospitalized British patients some, but it's clearly not saving them from dying from COVID and especially from the delta variant. If the vaccine was such perfect protection, we'd expect to see almost all the British COVID deaths be for unvaccinated people, but that's not the case. Even if you try to adjust the percentages based on number of people who got the shot, like some posts here are saying, you still get a result that shows the vaccine is partially protecting but not that great against the delta variant. And again you see nothing like what you would see if the COVID vaccine was truly good, ie. almost all deaths and hospitalizations being with the unvaccinated-- like the CDC is claiming for the US, even as they fudge the numbers by simply not counting most vaccinated people who get COVID. It seems the British version of the CDC is too honest to pull the fraud that the US CDC is trying to do and honestly admitting that most of the delta variant deaths are happening in vaccinated people. This is a fact however you try dance around it.

And it isn't just Britain either. Israel is even more fully vaccinated that England but now Israel is reporting about half of it's COVID cases are in vaccinated Israelis. And not just mild cases either, they're talking about bad cases sending people to hospital. The vaccines just don't work as well like advertised. My wife and I ultimately did get our shots recently when our doctor advised us due to high risk category, but more and more doubtful how much benefit the shot even provides. And our kids and grandkids certainly won't be getting a shot that seems more to have little benefit and may even cause heart damage for young people.
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Old 07-07-2021, 05:14 PM
 
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Yahoo is just the messenger, the reporters there are looking at the very same study your quoting so you're not putting out anything new. In fact all you're doing is cherry picking the parts of the study you want to see and ignoring the main finding in one of the other tables--that most of the UK deaths from delta COVID19 have been vaccinated, either partly or fully (the biggest group of deaths actually). Maybe the vaccine has helped to cut down on hospitalized British patients some, but it's clearly not saving them from dying from COVID and especially from the delta variant. If the vaccine was such perfect protection, we'd expect to see almost all the British COVID deaths be for unvaccinated people, but that's not the case. Even if you try to adjust the percentages based on number of people who got the shot, like some posts here are saying, you still get a result that shows the vaccine is partially protecting but not that great against the delta variant. And again you see nothing like what you would see if the COVID vaccine was truly good, ie. almost all deaths and hospitalizations being with the unvaccinated-- like the CDC is claiming for the US, even as they fudge the numbers by simply not counting most vaccinated people who get COVID. It seems the British version of the CDC is too honest to pull the fraud that the US CDC is trying to do and honestly admitting that most of the delta variant deaths are happening in vaccinated people. This is a fact however you try dance around it.

And it isn't just Britain either. Israel is even more fully vaccinated that England but now Israel is reporting about half of it's COVID cases are in vaccinated Israelis. And not just mild cases either, they're talking about bad cases sending people to hospital. The vaccines just don't work as well like advertised. My wife and I ultimately did get our shots recently when our doctor advised us due to high risk category, but more and more doubtful how much benefit the shot even provides. And our kids and grandkids certainly won't be getting a shot that seems more to have little benefit and may even cause heart damage for young people.
So let me get this straight, you claim you and your wife are high-risk and that the vaccines may not have benefit so your kids/grandkids won't get it. What happens when your unvaccinated kids/grandkids bring it home and give it to you????!!!!
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Old 07-07-2021, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The vaccines just don't work as well like advertised.
Do not work as well for the delta variant. That does not mean they do not work at all.
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Old 07-07-2021, 05:28 PM
 
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Do not work as well for the delta variant. That does not mean they do not work at all.
Luckily for a overwhelming majority of us we have a perectly capable immune system.
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Old 07-07-2021, 06:02 PM
 
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So much for the vaccine being the shield against COVID19 infection it was hyped up to be.
"B- b- but, the vaccine doesn't block coronavirus infection or spread, it just prevents you from getting really sick, dying or hospitalized!"

Lol, no. Great Britain, one of the most heavily vaccinated countries in the world (mainly Pfizer and Moderna vaccines), is being forced to shut down again due to the delta variant. And in a recent sample of 117 patients who had fatal cases of the delta mutant, almost half (50 out of 117) were fully vaccinated.
https://news.yahoo.com/vaccinated-pe...104813911.html

"Fifty (of those 117 COVID deaths) were among people who'd taken two doses of vaccines - a reminder that the shots are imperfect."

Infection numbers are already sky-rocketing in England beyond this (they always says there' lag between the infections and having to go to hospital), and it's shutting back down.

Then as further proof that the mainstream media these days are no longer objective reporters but instead just shills for Big Pharma and other corporate and government interests, most of the news stories have desperately pushed the line that "at least nobody under 50 who was vaccinated died from the delta variant". The funniest part about this claim? COVID almost never kills even unvaccinated people under 50! Even in 2020 before any vaccines were available, 95 percent or more of all COVID deaths and hospitalizations were among elderly Americans (ie. like us geezer retirees on c-d), and very few Americans under 50 got severely ill or died from COVID19 even without any vaccines. COVID in general poses very little risk for younger Americans at all, vaccinated or not, and even for older Americans it doesn't pose a huge risk unless someone is very obese or has other major preexisting conditions. (The CDC's own data shows 95 percent of COVID deaths had other conditions, ie. just as likely to die with COVID than of it). But the media as usual has an agenda instead of just reporting the news, another reason less and less Americans even bother to listen to what the news is claiming anymore.

Whatever the case, in the resort out here they're back to making everybody mask up again, and they're dropping the vaccine requirement they had for some of the activities since it clearly doesn't protect you from the delta strain anyway. (One of the local clinics had a vaccine requirement and they got sued into oblivion for the same reason and forced to drop it). What is the point of vaccination now at this point, when we'll probably all need boosters anyway with the delta mutant pushing through and killing vaccinated people too? Right now it's just mainstream media acting as shills and marketers for Pfizer and Moderna, the same corruption we're seeing everywhere else. Another good article on this, at least far as mainstream media sources goes,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-cases-in-uk
Many of those Covid cases were vaccinated with AstraZeneca which is only 60% effective compared to the much more effective Pfizer vaccine.
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Old 07-07-2021, 06:07 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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Yahoo is just the messenger, the reporters there are looking at the very same study your quoting so you're not putting out anything new. In fact all you're doing is cherry picking the parts of the study you want to see and ignoring the main finding in one of the other tables--that most of the UK deaths from delta COVID19 have been vaccinated, either partly or fully (the biggest group of deaths actually). Maybe the vaccine has helped to cut down on hospitalized British patients some, but it's clearly not saving them from dying from COVID and especially from the delta variant. If the vaccine was such perfect protection, we'd expect to see almost all the British COVID deaths be for unvaccinated people, but that's not the case. Even if you try to adjust the percentages based on number of people who got the shot, like some posts here are saying, you still get a result that shows the vaccine is partially protecting but not that great against the delta variant. And again you see nothing like what you would see if the COVID vaccine was truly good, ie. almost all deaths and hospitalizations being with the unvaccinated-- like the CDC is claiming for the US, even as they fudge the numbers by simply not counting most vaccinated people who get COVID. It seems the British version of the CDC is too honest to pull the fraud that the US CDC is trying to do and honestly admitting that most of the delta variant deaths are happening in vaccinated people. This is a fact however you try dance around it.

And it isn't just Britain either. Israel is even more fully vaccinated that England but now Israel is reporting about half of it's COVID cases are in vaccinated Israelis. And not just mild cases either, they're talking about bad cases sending people to hospital. The vaccines just don't work as well like advertised. My wife and I ultimately did get our shots recently when our doctor advised us due to high risk category, but more and more doubtful how much benefit the shot even provides. And our kids and grandkids certainly won't be getting a shot that seems more to have little benefit and may even cause heart damage for young people.
How can I put this clearly - YES IT IS SAVING PEOPLE FROM DYING!! When the first vaccines started being put into arms of the UK population 1250 people A DAY were dying from Covid, now its about 25.....yes TWENTY FIVE a day, simple maths no? The vaccines are around 96% effective at stopping death - a MASSIVE fall, so much so that the government are opening up the UK fully on the 19th July even with the Delta variant surging through the country! Current estimates are that the vaccine has saved around 30'000 lives ALREADY.
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Old 07-07-2021, 06:12 PM
 
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How can I put this clearly - YES IT IS SAVING PEOPLE FROM DYING!! When the first vaccines started being put into arms of the UK population 1250 people A DAY were dying from Covid, now its about 25.....yes TWENTY FIVE a day, simple maths no? The vaccines are around 96% effective at stopping death - a MASSIVE fall, so much so that the government are opening up the UK fully on the 19th July even with the Delta variant surging through the country! Current estimates are that the vaccine has saved around 30'000 lives ALREADY.

1250 a day were dying? I thought UK was 100% locked down. How could ANYONE have caught it?
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Old 07-07-2021, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Many of those Covid cases were vaccinated with AstraZeneca which is only 60% effective compared to the much more effective Pfizer vaccine.
Israel recently released data indicating Pfizer is only around 64% against the delta variant.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...es-third-dose/
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