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The sole reason the Confederacy existed in the first place was - slavery.
Washington, Jefferson and the like dealt with a bit of a broader perspective, and the nation that they founded did eventually manage to do away with the hideous blot that was chattel slavery. The Confederacy existed only to block that development.
Were people like Washington & Jefferson flawed? Yes. Yes they were. But they didn't go out to create a nation out of a simple-minded desire to keep the right to buy and sell people. The Confederacy did.
And the confederacy would have eventually done away with it also. But it was ok when Washington owned shaves. No civil war then.
More hypocrisy. Give it up. You’re not getting anywhere.
The sole reason the Confederacy existed in the first place was - slavery.
Washington, Jefferson and the like dealt with a bit of a broader perspective, and the nation that they founded did eventually manage to do away with the hideous blot that was chattel slavery. The Confederacy existed only to block that development.
Were people like Washington & Jefferson flawed? Yes. Yes they were. But they didn't go out to create a nation out of a simple-minded desire to keep the right to buy and sell people. The Confederacy did.
THANK YOU!! That is the point many of us have been trying to convey. The reason the Confederacy was established is far different for why the United States of America was established. Slavery was the biggest reason for it all.
The Founding Fathers were slave owners. We know this. However, their reason for establishing the USA was not rooted in trying to preserve the institution of slavery. That is the differences between America's founding fathers and the Confederate founding fathers. The Confederate founding fathers sought to establish the Confederacy explicitly to hold onto slavery. It is because of what the Confederate cause was all about, that people like us are calling for the removal of Confederate statues.
And the confederacy would have eventually done away with it also. But it was ok when Washington owned shaves. No civil war then.
More hypocrisy. Give it up. You’re not getting anywhere.
The fact that the Confederacy was established explicitly to keep on having slavery is enough to look poorly on the Confederates.
At least the Founding Fathers admitted that eventually, slavery would end. The Confederates made no mistake about where they stood. They WANTED to make sure slavery wouldn't be abolished. They did what they could to prevent that day from coming. The Founding Fathers knew it would come someday and say America should prepare for that day. The Confederates stubbornly held onto it. The Confederates wrote it into their Constitution that the right to own Black slaves would be protected. If slavery would have ended, it wouldn't be very soon.
Secession wasn't controversial? If a conflict that spanned 4 years and cost 600,000 lives doesn't count as a controversy, then how would we categorize it - a mild dispute? A bit of a tiff? A heated debate?
THANK YOU!! That is the point many of us have been trying to convey. The reason the Confederacy was established is far different for why the United States of America was established. Slavery was the biggest reason for it all.
The Founding Fathers were slave owners. We know this. However, their reason for establishing the USA was not rooted in trying to preserve the institution of slavery. That is the differences between America's founding fathers and the Confederate founding fathers. The Confederate founding fathers sought to establish the Confederacy explicitly to hold onto slavery. It is because of what the Confederate cause was all about, that people like us are calling for the removal of Confederate statues.
The north was industrial, the south was plantation.. there were huge differences in economy. The first slave owner was black. He went to court to officially own another black man under the law of the land. This was the beginning of legally owning a human being.
Washington did rebel against his nation for sovereignty and what he believed in!
He just WON. Lee did the same. He just LOST!
I'm trying to point out that it is FOLLY to scrub any of our history because there will always be inconsistencies with modern sensibilities. That's simply the MARCH OF TIME! Lincoln would be thrown out of office today if he said what he said in 1860.
You have massive inconsistencies with your beefs. Slavery was common at the time. Blacks being subjugated was common at the time even in the minds of the people who were against the institution of slavery.
LOTS OF THINGS from hundreds or thousands of years ago is different from today. Being offended by it is silly in the modern age. It's a never ending fool's errand to go down any of that road.
THAT'S my point!
Washington rebelled for reasons different from Lee. The Patriots cause isn't the same as the Confederate cause. The Patriots didn't rebel against Britain for the purpose of keeping slavery. The Confederate, however, did rebel for the purpose of keeping slavery. George Washington took slavery for granted for a time. Washington would eventually support a plan on abolishing slavery. The Confederates, however, were all about making sure slavery remained intact. The Founding Fathers understood it would end and were not going to fight against its abolition. The Confederates, however, were adamant about making sure slavery wouldn't be abolished, and were willing to go to war for it. While George Washington wanted to eventually abolish slavery, he feared talking about slavery publicly, fearing that it would tear the fledgling America apart. 80 years later, the Confederates were willing to tear America apart so they could keep slavery.
I'm not being inconsistent. I'm looking at the fact that the Patriots rebelled for far different reasons than the Confederates. The reason the USA was established is far different than why the CSA was established. Two totally different paradigms, and they must be addressed as such.
And something else. African-Americans have been unhappy about Confederate statues and Confederate flags for decades and decades. Many people just never listened or cared. A majority of African-Americans are southerners. A majority of African-Americans sre in favor of removing Confederate monuments. The "woke" has nothing to do with this. Alot of African-Americans have felt this way for a very long time. The current events are just revealing how many African-Americans have always felt. It was not the "In" thing to do for African-Americans. It's just now, it's being revealed more and more.
The north was industrial, the south was plantation.. there were huge differences in economy. The first slave owner was black. He went to court to officially own another black man under the law of the land. This was the beginning of legally owning a human being.
And? Does any of this negate that the Confederates were fighting explicitly to keep the institution of slavery? No it does not. Please refute me. Show me where I've lied. If you can't, then just admit that you're in favor of Confederate statues remaining in place and get it over it.
If Washington and his compatriots had lost, they’d have been hung as traitors. “All hang together or we shall surely all hang separately,” ring a bell?
And you can be assured that their statues would not be occupying a place of honor anywhere.
I’m at a loss as to why we have statues honoring these Benedict Arnolds.
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