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Old 07-06-2021, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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1. Who told you that there is communism in China? The fact they call their party "communist" has nothing to do with the actual state of things, just like "democratic" party in the US has absolutely nothing to do with democracy.
2. I can assure you that not only communism does not exist anywhere; it is also impossible to implement, at least with humankind.

Not to mention that there is simply no definition of "communism" Hard to believe, but that's true. Everybody defines this word the way they want.

And finally, just to explain you the actual state of reality. China is not building "communism", or "socialism", or "capitalism", or any other "ism". China (re-)builds Chinese Empire. Whatever economic basis suits that task - it will be used. Same as USA, except USA Empire is on decline, and Chinese Empire is on the rise (same as Russian Empire, by the way).

China doesn't have an empire. They can't take a nearby island nation without getting their hand smashed in the process. India could probably handle China on their own. Recall the last time China had a battle with Vietnam.



No nation can exist as an empire without successfully conquering other lands. The best they can hope to achieve is to continue building islands, that way they will have little conquering to do in the process. China will continue to bluster and make threats, stepping up their rhetoric, but the world is not listening. All bark and no bite, as history has shown. And it's doubtful that will change anytime soon. What family wants to loose their precious one and only son to a pointless conquest that will almost surely end in another century of humiliation? Be humble China. It's what you're good at. Along with enslaving your own people making handicrafts and things for the world. Leave the fighting to real empires. Besides, you've got enough enemies at home to deal with. Communists are not your friend. They exist to exploit you. Know thy enemy.
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Old 07-06-2021, 06:49 PM
 
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Many overseas Chinese support China government too (not supporting everything but in general).

People in China are not that narrow-minded either. Western culture has a big impact and everyone knows something about the west. We all grew up with Hollywood films and American soap operas.

In fact, my impression is educated Chinese usually have a better common of world history and politics than educated Americans, on average. Not to mention the mutual understanding between the US and China.
Very few Americans can name three Chinese cities without looking up (well maybe Wuhan changed that). Very few know any Chinese political figure besides Mao and Xi.
That is just because they are NOT Interested in collecting these information. It does not bother them and appears to be useless knowledge unless they do business with China.

It tells something that most of the Chinese people focus on what is going on in the USA while the USA people seldom show some interest learning what is going on in China.

I see many Chinese elder people stay in the senior housing units using tax payers money and enjoy medical care with no cost however they did not pay a penny tax to the USA.

However, I did not find any news telling stories about the American elder people going to China using Chinese tax payers money to maintain their life.

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Old 07-06-2021, 06:57 PM
 
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The Red Ribbon Army is strong....The CCP employs many people globally to promote propaganda.

She loves China and China is the dearest country in the world but she Does Not go back or contribute anything to her 'dearest' country. She does not pay a penny tax to the country.

She said she loves the USA but she is trolling on an US forum.

She knows where is better because her choice told everything but she is still trying hard to convince others seeing here choice already.

Effort appreciated.

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Old 07-06-2021, 07:15 PM
 
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China doesn't have an empire. They can't take a nearby island nation without getting their hand smashed in the process. India could probably handle China on their own. Recall the last time China had a battle with Vietnam.



No nation can exist as an empire without successfully conquering other lands. The best they can hope to achieve is to continue building islands, that way they will have little conquering to do in the process. China will continue to bluster and make threats, stepping up their rhetoric, but the world is not listening. All bark and no bite, as history has shown. And it's doubtful that will change anytime soon. What family wants to loose their precious one and only son to a pointless conquest that will almost surely end in another century of humiliation? Be humble China. It's what you're good at. Along with enslaving your own people making handicrafts and things for the world. Leave the fighting to real empires. Besides, you've got enough enemies at home to deal with. Communists are not your friend. They exist to exploit you. Know thy enemy.
^This is the actual problem with the USA and West in general.
The correct statement sounds as "No western nation can exist as an empire without successfully conquering other lands."

Proselytism is Western phenomena. Westerner cannot imagine situation when you are much stronger than your neighbor and you don't rob and enslave him.

Chinese Empire is not going to conquer other lands for a very simple reason - they think of themselves as the only civilized nation on a planet, and everybody else is barbarian. By conquering they should make those "barbarians" part of the nation, and they are too snobby to do that.

With Russian Empire it's different. Every time Russia grew in size was due to neighbors tried to attack it again and again. But after conquest Russia spent more money on the conquered areas than on the core. I would call it "upside down" Empire. For example, during Soviet times national republics were receiving 4 times more money than Russia itself. Very stupid of Russia, indeed. Western approach is much more logical - suck all the resources into the metropole, enslave conquered nations and fest on that.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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^This is the actual problem with the USA and West in general.
The correct statement sounds as "No western nation can exist as an empire without successfully conquering other lands."

Proselytism is Western phenomena. Westerner cannot imagine situation when you are much stronger than your neighbor and you don't rob and enslave him.

Chinese Empire is not going to conquer other lands for a very simple reason - they think of themselves as the only civilized nation on a planet, and everybody else is barbarian. By conquering they should make those "barbarians" part of the nation, and they are too snobby to do that.

With Russian Empire it's different. Every time Russia grew in size was due to neighbors tried to attack it again and again. But after conquest Russia spent more money on the conquered areas than on the core. I would call it "upside down" Empire. For example, during Soviet times national republics were receiving 4 times more money than Russia itself. Very stupid of Russia, indeed. Western approach is much more logical - suck all the resources into the metropole, enslave conquered nations and fest on that.



China can think what they want. But they cannot force the rest of the world to think like them. China has no empire and probably never will. Economic partnerships, belt and road ect is not the stuff empires are made of. China is a strategic player in the global economy, and that about sums it up.
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:04 PM
 
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China can think what they want. But they cannot force the rest of the world to think like them. China has no empire and probably never will. Economic partnerships, belt and road ect is not the stuff empires are made of. China is a strategic player in the global economy, and that about sums it up.
You just illustrated my point. You just can't grasp the idea that there are different types of empires possible, and not all of them require conquest.

But empires don't care what you think. They just exist.
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:06 PM
 
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That is just because they are NOT Interested in collecting these information. It does not bother them and appears to be useless knowledge unless they do business with China.

It tells something that most of the Chinese people focus on what is going on in the USA while the USA people seldom show some interest learning what is going on in China.

I see many Chinese elder people stay in the senior housing units using tax payers money and enjoy medical care with no cost however they did not pay a penny tax to the USA.

However, I did not find any news telling stories about the American elder people going to China using Chinese tax payers money to maintain their life.
So you just gave the reason to echo my point.
Yes, for whatever reason, Chinese people know the US much better than the other way round.
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:13 PM
 
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She loves China and China is the dearest country in the world but she Does Not go back or contribute anything to her 'dearest' country. She does not pay a penny tax to the country.

She said she loves the USA but she is trolling on an US forum.

She knows where is better because her choice told everything but she is still trying hard to convince others seeing here choice already.

Effort appreciated.
Well I'm male and I WILL go back to China when I make enough money.
China is a very competitive country with lots of talented people willing to work hard. As an individual I like the paces of America more, at least as a not-too-old man. But I always have a China passport (only).

My current contribution to China is to fight against anti China propaganda, and tell people the truth. For example lol
My contribution to the US is to use my skills to advance the technology, and pay taxes much more than you do, so poor Americans can be fed.
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:18 PM
 
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Are you telling me data from CCP's propaganda was wrong? That is new to me . Anyway, you better tell Hu Xijin to update his paper. The data is not matched, and it makes little pinks look stupid
I've told you they were different methods. You can't understand it?
National census and estimation based on samples are two different methods.
Even if we don't talk about which data is more accurate, when we make a comparison, they need to be consistent, from the same method.

In China 常住人口 and 户籍人口 can be very different too. America does not have such a concept.
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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You just illustrated my point. You just can't grasp the idea that there are different types of empires possible, and not all of them require conquest.

But empires don't care what you think. They just exist.

Good luck convincing anyone of your point. Kinda like all the trannies in America believing they are something they are not. They can believe what they want but good luck convincing others to accept your wild imaginative thoughts.


To be honest, it sounds like you are trying to make up for some self perceived deficiency. You have to imagine the USA is an "empire" on the decline and the make believe Chinese empire is somehow going to take it's place. No one in the USA wants to run your life. And they certainly are not going to tolerate or support China running theirs. The best you can do is lurk in the shadows and cowardly poke at the eagle, because to come right out and attack it would be the end of your make believe fun play time for the next century. Show me one country that has come out ahead by picking a fight with the USA. Yet, China's long history is marred by scars from very real empires that have... Well, you know your history better than I. On that we agree.


Surely you must understand, in order for China to ever become a real empire, it would require the blessing of either the USA, or a super majority of the world. And you would have to cross a lot of people's paths aggressively to get there. That's simply not in your nature, which is why I'm rather certain China will never become an empire.
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