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Old 07-05-2021, 11:10 PM
 
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Overdramatic? Okay, maybe. Disinformation? No. Look, without the climate deniers in Congress we would be taking more active measures to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels and other emitters of CO2 and methane. The longer the U.S., China and other developed countries drag their feet, the hotter it's going to get and more will die from extreme temperatures.
And I haven't been to Europe...whats the point you are trying to make?
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Old 07-06-2021, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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And I haven't been to Europe...whats the point you are trying to make?
His point seems clear to me. How can you not get it?
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Old 07-06-2021, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Central Washington
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Data to back up your assertion?

We know with 99.9999% certainty (yes, to four significant digits) that humans are causing climate change. The fact that climate deniers keep denying it is getting rather comical, right up there with Flat Earthers and Moon Landing Doubters.
Actually we don't. That study appears to be the 2019 version of the "97% consensus" which was debunked long ago yet is still coughed up by some as gospel. This is from Dr Roy Spencer, who co-developed satellite temperature monitoring with John Christy:

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The new Santer et al. study merely shows that the satellite data have indeed detected warming (not saying how much) that the models can currently only explain with increasing CO2 (since they cannot yet reproduce natural climate variability on multi-decadal time scales).
That’s all.
But we already knew that, didn’t we? So why publish a paper that goes to such great lengths to demonstrate it with an absurdly exaggerated statistic such as 1 in 3.5 million (which corresponds to 99.99997% confidence)? I’ll leave that as a rhetorical question for you to ponder.
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Current climate models are programmed to only produce human-caused warming
First, you must realize that ANY source of temperature change in the climate system, whether externally forced (e.g. increasing CO2, volcanoes) or internally forced (e.g. weakening ocean vertical circulation, stronger El Ninos) has about the same global temperature signature regionally....
Importantly, we don’t understand natural climate variations, and the models don’t produce it, so CO2 is the only source of warming in today’s state-of-the-art models.
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As previously mentioned, the models already assume that only CO2 can produce warming, and so their finding of some agreement between model warming and satellite-observed warming is taken to mean proof that the warming is human-caused. It is not. Any natural source of warming (as we will see) would produce about the same kind of agreement, but the models have already been adjusted to exclude that possibility.
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Even if the model runs did not include increasing CO2, there would still be agreement between warming trends in the models and observations just because of the volcanic cooling early would lead to positive 40-year trends. Obviously, this agreement would not indicate an anthropogenic source, even though the authors methodology would identify it as such.
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Their metric of agreement does not even need a geographic “pattern” of warming to reach an absurdly high level of statistical agreement.... This seems like a rather exaggerated statistic.
February « 2019 « Roy Spencer, PhD
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Old 07-06-2021, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The climate is going to change as it always has. We have to adapt.
Really. People need to give up on expecting conservatives to do anything serious about stopping global warming. That don't think it's humanly possible. Instead, conservatives expect people to be personally responsible enough to clean up after severe weather related disasters. However, if you find yourself cleaning up after closely spaced weather disasters, then it would be wise to give up and move to a part of the country hardly ever affected by weather disasters. That's how you adapt.
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Old 07-06-2021, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Ultimately it boils down to population control.....which no one dares to talk about.
Alex Jones certainly isn't afraid to talk and rave about it. He says globalists what to use covid vaccines to render females infertile and kill people to achieve population control on the downside.
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Old 07-06-2021, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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An all time record high of 121 in Lytton Canada...unfortunately the entire town burned down as a result.
https://theweek.com/climate-change/1...nt-down-in?amp
WOW, the all time record high in Oklahoma City is only 113. Maybe all time record breaking highs will eventually come to Oklahoma City from global warming.
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Old 07-06-2021, 01:56 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Of course what your chart omits is that the highest temperature peaks corresponded with widespread species extinctions.

Let's focus on what mankind is doing right now by burning 1,000 barrels of oil per second. This is chart is simple, so simple that a 7th grader can explain it: Man burns lots of oil and gas, CO2 goes up, temperatures go up.
It doesn't work out that way everywhere. This year, Oklahoma and Texas experienced one of the coldest Februarys ever. It was highly unusual how the unusually cold weather went on day after day without quickly letting up. Old-timers never saw anything like it. In June, hi temps seldom got past 90 in many parts. Now July is shaping up the same way.

Further more, some of the worlds glaciers are actually growing, rather than melting.
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Old 07-06-2021, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Alex Jones certainly isn't afraid to talk and rave about it. He says globalists what to use covid vaccines to render females infertile and kill people to achieve population control on the downside.
Say again! He says globalists what (want?) to use covid vaccines to render females infertile? Wow. Where was covid when I needed it!
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Old 07-06-2021, 02:02 AM
 
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Climate change is about as BS as cryptocurrency...
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Old 07-06-2021, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Climate change is about as BS as cryptocurrency...
So, some bit coin experts say it will go back up and be well over 100,000 by year's end. It always goes back up after a big fall.
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