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Old 07-07-2021, 06:45 PM
 
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I usually reserve most of my criticism for the left, but there are times the right go off stupid also and this is one of the times, remember the governor once tried to ban sex toys as well, so yes a democratic extremist and republican governor made this new law happen.

I am total against human trafficking minors and adult forced sex slavery, and yes it happens especially since the democrats laid the border wide open but here are the real facts, most adult prostitutes aren't forced into it by being captured or kidnapped or by pimps or men.

The truth is....

There are three kinds of people who support these kind of laws.

1 those that don't have critical thinking skills who read a headline "human trafficking" and never look deeper into the report, the truth is law enforcement uses the term in a sensational way to gain community support and funding but really usually it is a sting for common prostitution by willing prostitutes. Remember when Trump signed the law banning sites like back page and craigslist hailing it as fighting human trafficking but many sex workers said it would hurt them more than help and drive true trafficking more underground?

2 the other person that supports these laws are those that want to legislate morality on others.

3 The third kind of people who support these laws are law enforcement and politicians because it advances their careers and adds funds to government coffers.

So now Texas wants to make it a felony to get a paid hand job, or whatever, I'm sure people will sleep safer at night know John got a felony for getting a happy ending at the massage parlor or strip joint.

The truth is those that support this law wants to make men like a retiree who wants spend his retirement on a younger woman and be a sugar daddy into a felon. Or the wife and husband who hire a escort to play with them in their home or hotel room. Or the lonely man who has a hard time getting sex or has a career that leaves little time for any real relationship. Or the sleeze guy who plain out just cheats on his woman to get a BJ or whatever, Texas says that they all will be felons now. You can make your judgement on their morality but to make them a felon?

The truth is most exotic dancers/strippers don't lead a glamorous life but it isn't forced on them either, many live in hotels day to day or week to week at $80 to $100 a night for a room and often voluntarily support their looser boyfriend who sponges off them. There are some in the adult film industry who will also escort to select clients some who travel city to city on tours doing so. And then there is the fact that many prostitutes/escorts have substance abuse issues that they need to support a $100 to $400 a day habit especially when it's opiates, on top of paying for a hotel room and other various expenses, you can't support a $2500 a month hotel bill and $300 a day drug habit working at any normal job.

And then there is the fact that some cops themselves partake in prostitutes either by paying or using intimidation that they are the law to do so. And when the cops put up a sting ad on a website saying " I'm Amber I'm 27 years old nice boobs available $200 a hour" or whatever amount, and a guy shows up at the room and the cops arrest him is that really fighting human trafficking and does he really deserve a felony? If anything it is entrapment from law enforcement.

But no instead of using common sense to create laws that will really target real human trafficking they paint a broad brush and like usual these laws will do little for what was intended but rather create more criminals from what should never need be and get into the personal business of people, and they will get on media and hail to you how what a success it will be even when it won't.
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Old 07-07-2021, 06:47 PM
 
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"Texas is the first in the country to punish sex buyers with felonies, which is a substantial step towards curbing the demand for commercial sex," Attorney General Ken Paxton said in a statement. "Human trafficking is modern day slavery — targeting vulnerable men, women and children in our communities. I commend our legislature for passing laws that fight this inexcusable offense."


Probably not going to sit well with the libertarianns.
Actually a democrat bill That passed both houses and Abbott signed.

https://justthenews.com/nation/state...ing-sex-felony
Texas
Don't the legislature and governor there have a power grid to worry about?
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Old 07-07-2021, 06:58 PM
 
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Is it ok to buy sex robots in Texas?
Yes, but probably not in Alabama.
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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What?
You played dumb to dodge the question.


What would you do to prevent sex trafficking in Texas?
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:05 PM
 
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I usually reserve most of my criticism for the left, but there are times the right go off stupid also and this is one of the times, remember the governor once tried to ban sex toys as well, so yes a democratic extremist and republican governor made this new law happen.

I am total against human trafficking minors and adult forced sex slavery, and yes it happens especially since the democrats laid the border wide open but here are the real facts, most adult prostitutes aren't forced into it by being captured or kidnapped or by pimps or men.

The truth is....

There are three kinds of people who support these kind of laws.

1 those that don't have critical thinking skills who read a headline "human trafficking" and never look deeper into the report, the truth is law enforcement uses the term in a sensational way to gain community support and funding but really usually it is a sting for common prostitution by willing prostitutes. Remember when Trump signed the law banning sites like back page and craigslist hailing it as fighting human trafficking but many sex workers said it would hurt them more than help and drive true trafficking more underground?

2 the other person that supports these laws are those that want to legislate morality on others.

3 The third kind of people who support these laws are law enforcement and politicians because it advances their careers and adds funds to government coffers.

So now Texas wants to make it a felony to get a paid hand job, or whatever, I'm sure people will sleep safer at night know John got a felony for getting a happy ending at the massage parlor or strip joint.

The truth is those that support this law wants to make men like a retiree who wants spend his retirement on a younger woman and be a sugar daddy into a felon. Or the wife and husband who hire a escort to play with them in their home or hotel room. Or the lonely man who has a hard time getting sex or has a career that leaves little time for any real relationship. Or the sleeze guy who plain out just cheats on his woman to get a BJ or whatever, Texas says that they all will be felons now. You can make your judgement on their morality but to make them a felon?

The truth is most exotic dancers/strippers don't lead a glamorous life but it isn't forced on them either, many live in hotels day to day or week to week at $80 to $100 a night for a room and often voluntarily support their looser boyfriend who sponges off them. There are some in the adult film industry who will also escort to select clients some who travel city to city on tours doing so. And then there is the fact that many prostitutes/escorts have substance abuse issues that they need to support a $100 to $400 a day habit especially when it's opiates, on top of paying for a hotel room and other various expenses, you can't support a $2500 a month hotel bill and $300 a day drug habit working at any normal job.

And then there is the fact that some cops themselves partake in prostitutes either by paying or using intimidation that they are the law to do so. And when the cops put up a sting ad on a website saying " I'm Amber I'm 27 years old nice boobs available $200 a hour" or whatever amount, and a guy shows up at the room and the cops arrest him is that really fighting human trafficking and does he really deserve a felony? If anything it is entrapment from law enforcement.

But no instead of using common sense to create laws that will really target real human trafficking they paint a broad brush and like usual these laws will do little for what was intended but rather create more criminals from what should never need be and get into the personal business of people, and they will get on media and hail to you how what a success it will be even when it won't.
Thanks for saving me a lot of time with this post Lion King. Politicians can be such morons. The idiocy never ceases to amaze me. Keep your f...ing politics out of the bedroom.
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I usually reserve most of my criticism for the left, but there are times the right go off stupid also and this is one of the times, remember the governor once tried to ban sex toys as well, so yes a democratic extremist and republican governor made this new law happen.

I am total against human trafficking minors and adult forced sex slavery, and yes it happens especially since the democrats laid the border wide open but here are the real facts, most adult prostitutes aren't forced into it by being captured or kidnapped or by pimps or men.

The truth is....
The truth is, you knee jerked it. No one in the Texas Senate or House voted against it. 7 dems and 7 repubs sponsored it.
https://legiscan.com/TX/bill/HB1540/2021

It's about sex trafficking

"According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Texas has the second highest rate of human trafficking behind California among all 50 states. According to a 2016 Statewide Human Trafficking Mapping Project of Texas, there were more than 300,000 victims of human trafficking in Texas, including nearly 79,000 minors and youth victims of sex trafficking and nearly 234,000 adult victims of labor trafficking.

Minor and youth sex trafficking costs the state of Texas approximately $6.6 billion annually, and traffickers exploit approximately $600 million from victims of labor trafficking in Texas."


https://tylerpaper.com/news/texas/te...75f9326e8.html
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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You played dumb to dodge the question.


What would you do to prevent sex trafficking in Texas?

What you said about legalizing pot made no sense. Legalizing pot does not lead to prostitution.
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:30 PM
 
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The truth is, you knee jerked it. No one in the Texas Senate or House voted against it. 7 dems and 7 repubs sponsored it.
https://legiscan.com/TX/bill/HB1540/2021

It's about sex trafficking

"According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Texas has the second highest rate of human trafficking behind California among all 50 states. According to a 2016 Statewide Human Trafficking Mapping Project of Texas, there were more than 300,000 victims of human trafficking in Texas, including nearly 79,000 minors and youth victims of sex trafficking and nearly 234,000 adult victims of labor trafficking.

Minor and youth sex trafficking costs the state of Texas approximately $6.6 billion annually, and traffickers exploit approximately $600 million from victims of labor trafficking in Texas."


https://tylerpaper.com/news/texas/te...75f9326e8.html
We will see how it plays out but I bet most arrests and stings they conduct in the future will be on consenting adults but the law and politicians will say it was a fruitful sting done on " human trafficking".

Not much different when the democrats say "gun crime is a health emergency" using "health emergency" in a twisted way to promote more gun control.

Told you I'm all for going after true trafficking/slavery, but I have seen time and time again news reports by law enforcement tout a successful sting on "human trafficking" but when you see who they arrested it is adult women and men who voluntarily offered services many times women who have a arrest record for previous prostitution charges. Most prostitutes/escorts and John's voluntarily have a agreement to use each other, you can judge their morality but to brand them felons and such even when they are not involved in anything forced, is anything but freedom in a country that touts freedom of the individual as a common standard. And yes my side the Republicans are often hypocrites about this. The governor of Texas Abbott wanted to ban sex toys for gawd sake.....oh the horror that a woman (or man) use use a pocket rocket or blow up doll lol!
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:40 PM
 
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What you said about legalizing pot made no sense. Legalizing pot does not lead to prostitution.
legalizing pot will rarely lead to people seeking out harder drugs either, gateway drug as they put it.
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:44 PM
 
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We will see how it plays out but I bet most arrests and stings they conduct in the future will be on consenting adults but the law and politicians will say it was a fruitful sting done on " human trafficking".

Not much different when the democrats say "gun crime is a health emergency" using "health emergency" in a twisted way to promote more gun control.

Told you I'm all for going after true trafficking/slavery, but I have seen time and time again news reports by law enforcement tout a successful sting on "human trafficking" but when you see who they arrested it is adult women and men who voluntarily offered services many times women who have a arrest record for previous prostitution charges. Most prostitutes/escorts and John's voluntarily have a agreement to use each other, you can judge their morality but to brand them felons and such even when they are not involved in anything forced, is anything but freedom in a country that touts freedom of the individual as a common standard. And yes my side the Republicans are often hypocrites about this. The governor of Texas Abbott wanted to ban sex toys for gawd sake.....oh the horror that a woman (or man) use use a pocket rocket or blow up doll lol!
Yep, and it happens every time they try to legislate their god fearing morality (simply a bunch of prudes). Here's a good piece on the failure of Sesta-Fosta...

https://newrepublic.com/article/1628...rk-sesta-fosta

'though the exact legal applicability of FOSTA is speculative, it has already had a wide-reaching practical impact; it is clear that even the threat of an expansive reading of these amendments has had a chilling effect on free speech, has created dangerous working conditions for sex-workers, and has made it more difficult for police to find trafficked individuals.”
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