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Old 07-09-2021, 08:43 AM
 
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The truth hurts.

The article goes on to say the far extreme right has co-opted the flag to now be a symbol of hate.

And he's right.

And he is probably smart to know not to be alone at night with someone flying the flag. Because of what we've seen happen to the symbol of our great country in the last 5 years.

Which makes me unbelievably angry.

That flag does not belong to hate, it belongs to Americans, and somehow before our very eyes, the Klan and the Proud Boys and the American Nazis have stolen it from us.
The error in your statement is that you put together "American Nazis" and the KKK in the same category as the Proud Boys. You speak of "the far extreme right" - this is also known as "the dissident right," and it's the camp known as "white nationalists" (which people like you would probably use the term "white supremacists" for.

The flaw in your argument is that the Proud Boys is by no means an ethnocentric/ethnonationalist organization. One of its former leaders was a man of Latin American/Hispanic origins.

His name?

Enrique Tarrio.

This is what he looks like:



If you believe for a moment that the Ku Klux Klan and/or any modern-day group in America which even REMOTELY fit the description of a "Nazi" (and please, let us be correct and accurate; the left has for years called conservatives, even black people like Candace Owens, "Nazis" as a mindless and reflexive smear; the real "Nazis" that anybody should look at are white people who are white nationalists and who happen to fly the flag of the historical Third Reich) would accept a man like Tarrio as a comrade and as an ally in their agenda.... then let's just say you need to learn what each group is and isn't rather than using blanket, general statements with words like "Nazi."
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Old 07-09-2021, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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https://news.yahoo.com/news/black-li...195007748.html

Pretty damn disgusting!

I still believe in "AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!"

And, it seems that more are entering than leaving our great country!
BLM consists of Marxists who hate America, I would not expect them to say anything other then espouse their hate for America. You may as well have started a thread titled "Bear craps in the woods."
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Old 07-09-2021, 08:51 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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The article goes on to say the far extreme right has co-opted the flag to now be a symbol of hate.
wrong.
the article quotes a crazed lunatic making that insipid claim.
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Old 07-09-2021, 08:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ClaraC View Post
The truth hurts.

The article goes on to say the far extreme right has co-opted the flag to now be a symbol of hate.

And he's right.

And he is probably smart to know not to be alone at night with someone flying the flag. Because of what we've seen happen to the symbol of our great country in the last 5 years.

Which makes me unbelievably angry.

That flag does not belong to hate, it belongs to Americans, and somehow before our very eyes, the Klan and the Proud Boys and the American Nazis have stolen it from us.
And yet you seem to have no issue with BLM trying to "steal" the flag. Because that would be the end goal of a declaration like this.
Step 1..declare it racist.
Step 2..get people to believe it
Step 3...destroy it and replace it with something acceptable to said group that originally declared it racist.

You seem to be already at Step 2...Are you ready for Step 3?
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Old 07-09-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ClaraC View Post
The truth hurts.

The article goes on to say the far extreme right has co-opted the flag to now be a symbol of hate.

And he's right.

And he is probably smart to know not to be alone at night with someone flying the flag. Because of what we've seen happen to the symbol of our great country in the last 5 years.

Which makes me unbelievably angry.

That flag does not belong to hate, it belongs to Americans, and somehow before our very eyes, the Klan and the Proud Boys and the American Nazis have stolen it from us.
A point probably lost on here. I wonder how we can restore our flag back to a symbol of freedom, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from the hate of the the Klan, the Proud Boys, and the American Nazis.
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Old 07-09-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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That flag does not belong to hate, it belongs to Americans, and somehow before our very eyes, the Klan and the Proud Boys and the American Nazis have stolen it from us.
The flag belongs to whoever buys it. There is no law that says who can buy it or who can fly it. The left is a joke. They act like communists in the U.S.A.
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Old 07-09-2021, 09:12 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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You're wrong. MAGA is trying to take my flag, and use it as their own trademark symbol. And drape it over our capitol building, when they tried to take over our government.

You can't tell us we're not seeing what we're seeing. Design your own partisan movement flag if you want, the US flag isn't up for grabs for one political leader.

"MAGA is tying to take your flag".??? MAGA is not an organization it's a motto. Thanks to the neo Democrat left it's not safe to walk out the door with a red ball cap on lest you be mistaken for a Trump supporter drug from you car and beaten to death by a mob of rabid Bolsheviks. The left has long hence abandoned the flag, the anthem ,the pledge and the Constitution and now you cry foul that others have not?


You'll pardon me if I find your claiming of the flag as "yours"/"ours". Leftists burn the flag, throw it on the ground and stomp on it, pull it down fom the mast and run up other banners that represent some "cause" or another in it's place and now when I see a leftist proclaiming the flag tp be "theirs" I have to winge a bit. Is it not the left that has supported the profaning in public of Ol' Glory as "free speech and protest"? BLM which is the organization being discuss3d here torched and otherwise dishonored the flag all though their recent "protests" and then put their Zippos to other use burning huge swaths of cities to the ground. All the while cheered on by the neo Dem left as a whole.

And now you're telling us that the extreme right has co opted the flag. Indeed? So the radical left profanes and dishonors the flag and the radical right is using it as a symbol of opposition. Knock me over with a feather!! :smack The two extremes of left and right seem to be the ones dictating the national narrative these days .Flag burners vs flag wavers. The ideological divide has not been this deep in the nation since the late 1850s. If someone supports the the extreme left trying to lay any claim the Ol' Glory as "theirs" is is contradictory. On the flipside the extreme ight can't have it both ways with her either when they fly her alongside Nazi banners and such. To me that is worse than burning her.

And the neo leftist regime in control of DC is deepening divides with its support of radical leftist agendas. Agendas that turn their back to the flag. The people who are flying the flag from their trucks are disdained and demeaned by this neo Dem leftist bunch who claim that seeing the flag displayed thus has them frantically seeking a safe space. Why is that? Odd that folks who cower and tremble like frightened rabbits at the sight of a flag flying from the bed of a truck support burning the flag as a way to express themselves over political issues and disdain the history of this nation and everything that represents that (the flag the Constitution the anthem the pledge) would now claim those things as being stolen from them. Seems to me they abandoned the flag along with everything else.

"MAGA" has stolen nothing from you. Something that is thrown away cannot be "stolen."
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Old 07-09-2021, 09:17 AM
 
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A point probably lost on here. I wonder how we can restore our flag back to a symbol of freedom, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from the hate of the the Klan, the Proud Boys, and the American Nazis.

The Klan, Proud Boys or Nazis have NO power over anyone. All they have is their freedom of speech just like the rest of us, 340 million people and over 20 million foreigners that entered illegally. Worry about your own government if you care about freedom, life and liberty.


Try to check our government better. They are out of control in many areas.
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Old 07-09-2021, 09:19 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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The Klan, Proud Boys or Nazis have NO power over anyone. All they have is their freedom of speech just like the rest of us, 340 million people and over 20 million foreigners that entered illegally. Worry about your own government if you care about freedom, life and liberty.


Try to check our government better. They are out of control in many areas.
Posts like the one you just responded to serve as a good reminder that we're all just talking past each other and it's all a big waste of time.
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Old 07-09-2021, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Florida -
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The true target of BLM, Antifa and other politically militant hate groups, has always been America and her symbols and way of life. For them, 'racism' is only a rallying battle cry, that is arbitrarily applied to anything and everything that opposes their hatred of America.
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