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Old 07-11-2021, 02:29 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
(emphasis my own) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drought...odern-history/

A drought that is more severe than any in the past 1,200 years isn't good enough for you? You are just arguing semantics.
I didn't know they were recording weather patterns for the last 1200 years.

 
Old 07-11-2021, 02:31 PM
 
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The sun getting brighter and will eventually consume earth. That's the big picture.
 
Old 07-11-2021, 02:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
(emphasis my own) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drought...odern-history/

A drought that is more severe than any in the past 1,200 years isn't good enough for you? You are just arguing semantics.
you know, the link does not say that at all.....it says "may"....."the second worst in 1,200 years"

and "if" it's the second worse....then you can't blame global warming
 
Old 07-11-2021, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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It won't be millions at one time. It'll be like we're dealing with now... 100k one year, 200k the next, 300k the next, back down to 200k in a more moderate year, up to 400k in a bad year. Over decades it'll be millions.

It's not that changing climate makes the Earth or any parts of it uninhabitable... it makes it less habitable for as many as are there, in the way we have designed society to work up to this point.

We will have to do corrections.

We absolutely can live on a warmer planet. There will be some good things that come of it. But a lot of things will be... well very inconvenient as the people invested in the way things were will fight the changes. We will probably fight with each other about it all.
So many were living on the edge before climate change. Now they're reaching the tipping point.

Assuming your speculation is correct about the numbers of migrants per year, do you think they will say: "Aw shucks" when we turn them away and then go back to Guatemala or wherever to starve?

Not likely and each year the number in refugee camps on our borders will continue to multiply. Eventually, they will breach the walls by force.

Or perhaps you foresee our military slaughtering them?
 
Old 07-11-2021, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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So many were living on the edge before climate change. Now they're reaching the tipping point.

Assuming your speculation is correct about the numbers of migrants per year, do you think they will say: "Aw shucks" when we turn them away and then go back to Guatemala or wherever to starve?

Not likely and each year the number in refugee camps on our borders will continue to multiply. Eventually, they will breach the walls by force.

Or perhaps you foresee our military slaughtering them?
No, Americans like to imagine apocalyptic scenarios, but in the real world they don't happen very often.

It'll be like any refugee crisis at whatever scale it ends up being. The kinds of arguments we have now about refugees/migrants will increase in priority and severity in our politics. There will be factions who are sympathetic and want to help them, factions who think they're losers or tantamout to invaders and want to treat them harshly, and most people in between who will want easy solutions to a difficult problem.

We do have another country in between - Mexico - and I assume they would be involved too. Comparatively speaking Mexico is one of the "haves" compared to Central America. There will be a lot of slums there and here, where these refugees collect.

I don't think any reasonable nation's leadership will condone their militaries opening fire on refugees. That would be a crime against humanity of the highest order. We've already seen from Trump that the U.S. military will not obey crazy orders. He wanted the military to put some kind of booby traps on the border, etc... they ignored that ridiculousness.
 
Old 07-11-2021, 03:52 PM
 
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The sun getting brighter and will eventually consume earth. That's the big picture.
Out past 4.31 billions years it will be long over rover.
 
Old 07-11-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Futuremauian View Post
So many were living on the edge before climate change. Now they're reaching the tipping point.

Assuming your speculation is correct about the numbers of migrants per year, do you think they will say: "Aw shucks" when we turn them away and then go back to Guatemala or wherever to starve?

Not likely and each year the number in refugee camps on our borders will continue to multiply. Eventually, they will breach the walls by force.

Or perhaps you foresee our military slaughtering them?
One day a super bug will kill billions and then we may have a chance.
 
Old 07-11-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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Rainy and in the 70’s here…. It’s usually hot, hot, hot and begging for rain.
 
Old 07-11-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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It was a 10 year drought...a drought....no rain for a decade....1930 to 1940

What kind of "farming practices" can grow anything without water.....
They learned a lot about minimum tillage and erosion ect.
 
Old 07-11-2021, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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No, Americans like to imagine apocalyptic scenarios, but in the real world they don't happen very often.

It'll be like any refugee crisis at whatever scale it ends up being. The kinds of arguments we have now about refugees/migrants will increase in priority and severity in our politics. There will be factions who are sympathetic and want to help them, factions who think they're losers or tantamout to invaders and want to treat them harshly, and most people in between who will want easy solutions to a difficult problem.

We do have another country in between - Mexico - and I assume they would be involved too. Comparatively speaking Mexico is one of the "haves" compared to Central America. There will be a lot of slums there and here, where these refugees collect.

I don't think any reasonable nation's leadership will condone their militaries opening fire on refugees. That would be a crime against humanity of the highest order. We've already seen from Trump that the U.S. military will not obey crazy orders. He wanted the military to put some kind of booby traps on the border, etc... they ignored that ridiculousness.
I can envision refugee camps on the Mexican side of the border with us providing the food and services while denying birthright citizenship.

In Israel the Palestinian camps have existed for generations and the borders are porous. Perhaps we will have a similar situation.

I agree that there will be no wholesale slaughter and also believe that eventually the Woke will demand that we let them all in.
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