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And why do you think Marxist are so diehard? Why do you think they know that their way is the absolute way so they will do anything to get there?
That has nothing to do with your previous post.
Anyway, the incredibly tedious actual Marxists I have had the misfortune to encounter are convinced that they have iron-clad scientific backing for their ideas. Sort of like capital-L Libertarians in that regard. The ideology cannot fail, only be failed.
Admittedly, Marx wrote a spot-on critique of 19th-century unfettered capitalism (Short version: It sucks really badly for most.) It's just that when he started postulating what would inevitably happen to bring an end to it, he lost contact with reality.
If you encounter actual Marxists in the wild, avoid eye contact, don't engage, and wait for the inevitable dispute over some minor point, then back away.
But the current US definition of "Marxism" appears to be "anything that might at some point in time inconvenience the billionaires".
if you hate communism and Marxism, then you support big business..
you hate soc sec as has been mentioned
you hate labor laws the 5 day work week as well the 40 hr week
you think its fine to dump industrial poison any old place
you think business bureaucracy is more humane than government bureaucracy
i am willing to bet in your day to day life you benefit more from whats been called Marxism for the last 100 years
FOX "news" supports big business and not YOU your dream world was the Victorian slums of yesteryear
You bet I support Capitalism. We have some wealth here to invest in companies . We have shopping malls, super food stores, services, fine restaurants, and we have freedom to create and innovate.
The communists have to steal to advance. We have free thinkers who invent . We have many who start businesses. We can advance with hard work and goals.
Nothing wrong with OT.. time and a half pays well in the blue collar sector. We care about the environment but if the snail is threatened we have to put people first, not the snail.
So yes, we can do very well with capitalism. You just want a welfare state and let the government take care of you from cradle to grave. No thanks. I like my self respect of working hard and enjoying the fruits of my labor.
if you hate communism and Marxism, then you support big business..
you hate soc sec as has been mentioned
you hate labor laws the 5 day work week as well the 40 hr week
you think its fine to dump industrial poison any old place
you think business bureaucracy is more humane than government bureaucracy
i am willing to bet in your day to day life you benefit more from whats been called Marxism for the last 100 years
FOX "news" supports big business and not YOU your dream world was the Victorian slums of yesteryear
Life is not that black and white. Its not either unbridled capitalism or full blown communism. But if I had to choose between the two, communism loses every time.
Anyway, the incredibly tedious actual Marxists I have had the misfortune to encounter are convinced that they have iron-clad scientific backing for their ideas. Sort of like capital-L Libertarians in that regard. The ideology cannot fail, only be failed.
Admittedly, Marx wrote a spot-on critique of 19th-century unfettered capitalism (Short version: It sucks really badly for most.) It's just that when he started postulating what would inevitably happen to bring an end to it, he lost contact with reality.
If you encounter actual Marxists in the wild, avoid eye contact, don't engage, and wait for the inevitable dispute over some minor point, then back away.
But the current US definition of "Marxism" appears to be "anything that might at some point in time inconvenience the billionaires".
Anyway, the incredibly tedious actual Marxists I have had the misfortune to encounter are convinced that they have iron-clad scientific backing for their ideas. Sort of like capital-L Libertarians in that regard. The ideology cannot fail, only be failed.
Admittedly, Marx wrote a spot-on critique of 19th-century unfettered capitalism (Short version: It sucks really badly for most.) It's just that when he started postulating what would inevitably happen to bring an end to it, he lost contact with reality.
If you encounter actual Marxists in the wild, avoid eye contact, don't engage, and wait for the inevitable dispute over some minor point, then back away.
But the current US definition of "Marxism" appears to be "anything that might at some point in time inconvenience the billionaires".
They probably think it’s science because Marx and Engles though Hegel's Dialectic was a scientific way to to use theory in practice. Negating the negations until perfection arises. History is done. God recognizes itself and there is nothing left to perfect.
Sounds a lot like the singularity although I seriously doubt they were thinking in terms of AGI and a hybridized biological world.
I agree, you don’t meet many Marxist in the wild. Most won’t even say they’re Marxist outside of their circles. Even the CTs stopped referring to Marx even if all of their methodologies and practices were Marxist in nature. There’s nothing wrong with Marxism. We used Marxist from the Frankfurt School to defeat Nazi Germany. Their ideas and ways of looking at society in a Marxian way are still used to this day. We used essentially the same “denazification†program in Iraq after occupying it for some time. Much different results than the German Miracle.
I don’t think the current US definition of Marxism is what you speak of. All we are talking about is race and only peripherally about trillions of dollars being transferred to “ghetto populations†(Marcuse’s framing of who will bring in the revolution) via vague bills and other proclamations. Reparations without calling them reparations. That’s probably DoA though.
Marxism is to me what the people who headed this movement say it is. In this case it is based on race. In this case it is using guilt, fear, coercion, shaming, ostracizing, etc. to get a particular result that looks a heck of a lot like the “brainwashing†Lifton wrote about in Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism. When you couple that with the obvious discriminating tolerance towards the left and indiscriminate intolerance of everything right it spells out totalitarian tendencies. At least to me. I get that people won’t go there, yet. But then again I also didn’t just hop on the train. I’ve been looking at this for the better part of five years.
Not for you, of course. For anyone else reading this that might actually not realize just how interlinked CRT, school curriculum and Marxism are at the moment. Remember this when whenever someone says it’s not a Marxist ideology. When they claim CRT isn’t being used. When they say it is being used but it’s to teach accurate history. Whenever they say anything other than what they said before they hit prime time.
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“Marx famously wrote, “The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it.â€4 Critical theory differs from pure philosophy in its motivation to provoke change, and thus it necessarily traffics in the emotions.5 Challenging power relations, as critical theorists love to do, means provoking anger, disquiet, anxiety, and even fear in those with a settled understanding of who they are and where they belong...
In this Essay, I am interested in the relationship among ideology, ideological critique, and emotion. I argue that the ideological critique produced by Marx in the nineteenth century and by critical legal theorists in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries undertakes not only to persuade our minds but also to rally our emotions. To accomplish this, critical theorists show us that ideology is already a technique of emotion management. Ideology makes suffering invisible and compassion inappropriate by assuring us that the status quo is natural, normal, and necessary. Ideological critique, in turn, reveals the suffering beneath the bland façade of ideological concepts like “capital†and “property.†It tries to persuade us, moreover, that this suffering is unjust and unnecessary: that politics and not nature is its source, and that we should act to relieve it.
Like Marx, critical race theorists therefore want us to care about the subordinated.8 Yet several pitfalls await. First, caring must be connected to moral outrage to produce a commitment to action. Caring without outrage is only merely pity, an emotion that requires no action, only the feeling of sympathy. Critical theorists must strive to cultivate indignation as well as caring in their readers’ hearts. A second pitfall is related to the first. Observing the suffering of others may provoke compassion, but it may also reinforce a sense of their inferiority, their need for our charity. Conversely, a politics rooted in displays of suffering threatens to become “therapeutic,†a politics in which the subordinated seek only public recognition of their wounds and a sense of moral superiority rather than the transformation of social relations.9 Third, critical theory must simultaneously convince us that injustice is everywhere, and that change is possible.â€
The problem with communism as practiced in the 20th century is that it took a theological approach to doctrine. They took what was written by Marx, Engels and later communist writers and tried to apply it in a doctrinaire manner rather than seeing what worked and then adjusting their thinking based on what was happening.
Unfortunately we have done the same thing with free market capitalism since Reagan. We (or at least the right) have just switched out Marx and replaced him with Ayn Rand and the Chicago school of economics. Now American capitalism is failing although in different ways than communism failed. It hasn't failed for the boomers who were the last generation to grow up in the pragmatic mixed economy of the New Deal but it is failing for the generations that have come after.
The reality is that treating any economic theory as a theology is stupid. Pragmatism should rule the day. Marx's critique of work and class is useful, central planning is not, and was the main economic reason why Soviet communism failed. Understanding the mechanisms of supply and demand is useful, dismantling the regulatory state and creating a government that does nothing is not and is part of why capitalism is breaking down in America.
We need to stop thinking of socialism and capitalism as competing secular religions and see them for what they are - tools of political economy. Each fixes one set of problems and causes another. The balance a society needs to strike between the two depends on what is happening in that society currently, and changes over times depending on conditions.
Rules for Radicals.. and the radicals are now all in the white house.. common sense is all that is needed.
LOL, how utterly absurd! Radicals are not in the White House. Far from it. They don't so much as support Medicare For All. Is Medicare For All a radical idea to most Americans? No, not at all. No more than Medicare!
So, Taratova, your manner of thinking is nothing but all out WRONG! Surely, you need to find a different rogue website in which to get propagandized and indoctrinated to your heart's content!
Social Security is a vast Ponzi scheme, nothing more. Like any Ponzi scheme, the people that get in early reap benefits far beyond what they ever paid in. Those that got in later not so much. In the end, it collapses and the last people in are left holding the bag.
I'm expecting I'll be one of those left holding the bag...
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